8:59 pm
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August 12, 2012
Detroit News:
Detroit — Joey “Shaggy 2 Dope” Utsler, co-founder of infamous Detroit rap duo Insane Clown Posse, is dodging attempts by the Internal Revenue Service to collect taxes, a federal prosecutor said Wednesday.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office asked a federal judge to force Utsler to produce financial records after ignoring or delaying attempts to determine how much he owes for 2011 and 2012, according to federal court records. The IRS says Utsler and fellow Insane Clown Posse rapper Joe “Violent J” Bruce owe a combined $379,783 in delinquent federal income taxes, records show.
The dispute is the latest federal entanglement for Utsler, and along with court records offers a peek inside the finances of a controversial group whose fans have been branded a gang by the FBI. The FBI labeled the group’s fans, known as Juggalos, a “loosely organized hybrid gang” in a 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment report.
“This could lead to incarceration, no doubt about it, if he doesn’t come through with the information,” said Farmington Hills tax lawyer and former IRS agent Jerry Abraham, who is not involved in the case.
The petition comes one week before Insane Clown Posse holds its annual Gathering of the Juggalos fan fest near Columbus, Ohio.
“The timing is interesting,” Abraham said. “The IRS right now has very precious and little resources and they want a little to go a long way. Clearly, they’re trying to get some publicity.”
An Insane Clown Posse spokesman declined comment Wednesday because he had not seen the court filing. Utsler, 40, of Davisburg also could not be reached Wednesday.
This isn’t the first time the IRS has targeted Utsler.
The IRS accused Utsler of owing $162,417 in delinquent taxes on April 21, 2014, according to the Oakland County Register of Deeds.
The same day, the IRS slapped a $217,366 tax lien on Bruce, 43, of Farmington Hills, according to Oakland County records.
Both rappers allegedly owe delinquent federal income taxes from 2011 and 2012, according to copies of the tax liens obtained by The News.
The latest IRS dispute dates to early March 2015. That’s when an IRS revenue officer sent a summons to Utsler. He was directed to bring his financial records to her office on March 31 so the IRS could investigate his tax liability for the years 2011 and 2012.
He never showed up, according to court records.
The IRS gave him one last chance. Again, Utsler never showed up for the May 19 meeting, according to court records.
The next day, his lawyer Marvin Karana asked for a one-week extension. The IRS agreed, but Utsler failed to comply with the May 27 deadline, according to the petition.
In June, his lawyer asked for another extension. The IRS refused.
“I no longer represent Mr. Utsler,” Karana told The News on Wednesday. “I don’t want to comment. It’s pretty much confidential information.”
The tax spat surfaced one month after an appeals court in Cincinnati heard arguments over the FBI gang designation. The case went to the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals after a Detroit federal judge said the U.S. Justice Department isn’t responsible for how authorities use a national report on gangs.
The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan says the free speech and due process rights of Insane Clown Posse and its fans are being violated.
12:01 am
January 19, 2013
5:06 am
January 21, 2014
xombie shaggy don’t need your money… and i have already “given back” by buying all the merch that i have gotten. if you wan’t to “give back” go buy a fucking shirt or two, nobody is going to just hand them money. god you are thick…
"HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN, ONCE YOU SURRENDER THE ABILITY TO PROPERLY OPERATE YOUR MIND, YOU ARE THEN SURRENDERING THE ABILITY TO BE THE SHIT. AND THAT ONLY MEANS, YOU AINT SHIT ANYMORE."-SHAGGY2DOPE
6:10 am
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February 15, 2014
XombieKing said
Idk if the irs can tax a charity but how bout we fucking give back and start a pool of money to pay that shit off if one lo donates even a dollar well itll be paid off in no time
what the fuck is wrong with you??! you want to donate to pay off some dudes taxes… that could afford to do it himself?
that’s as stupid as Patriot fans donating money to pay off that million dollar fine they got hit with, even though its a MULTI million dollar franchise. smh.
but please, go donate your money, and maybe shaggy will send you an autograph picture with his shirt off
I'll fuck you till you love me, Faggot!
-Tyson
7:36 am
September 5, 2014
Sean Law said
XombieKing said
Idk if the irs can tax a charity but how bout we fucking give back and start a pool of money to pay that shit off if one lo donates even a dollar well itll be paid off in no timewhat the fuck is wrong with you??! you want to donate to pay off some dudes taxes… that could afford to do it himself?
I fully agree to with you… last I herd they made a combined of 10 mill a year off psychopathic merch. So trust me when I say… they have the money! My only concern is that they dont throw his ass back in jail for this shit… which is a big possibly when it comes to taxes.
7:59 am
March 26, 2015
4:35 pm
January 19, 2013
YakkAttack said
My only concern is that they dont throw his ass back in jail for this shit… which is a big possibly when it comes to taxes.
Yeah they better address this shit at the Seminar this year.
ICP might end up like Al Capone-skating away from some serious gang charges, only to have their asses thrown in jail for tax evasion!
8:26 pm
March 20, 2013
YakkAttack said
Sean Law said
XombieKing said
Idk if the irs can tax a charity but how bout we fucking give back and start a pool of money to pay that shit off if one lo donates even a dollar well itll be paid off in no timewhat the fuck is wrong with you??! you want to donate to pay off some dudes taxes… that could afford to do it himself?
I fully agree to with you… last I herd they made a combined of 10 mill a year off psychopathic merch. So trust me when I say… they have the money! My only concern is that they dont throw his ass back in jail for this shit… which is a big possibly when it comes to taxes.
actually icp is wroth a about 26 million combined if i remember correctly. 13 million each.
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August 6, 2013
5:15 pm
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April 1, 2012
6:39 pm
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August 6, 2013
I feel like it’s a lot harder when you actually have to put money aside to pay taxes (when you own your own business) compared to pawns like us where it’s taken out automatically. Especially since they probably always get a different amount each quarter. That being said, I know fuck-all about economics, tax code, or small businesses.
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