chops said
Considering violent j writes 80-90% of all icp material and also wrote the majority of fuck off and fuck the fuck off id say they are better as a team.   

ESPECIALLY On FTFOMF. It just felt so damned blatant.

• Theres no other rapper out there like shaggy and there never will.

Yeah I’m sure the clowns had no idea Fritz was doing that, to be honest.  Coming in the studio like “DAMN Fritz!  your killen it with those effects on the new batch of beats for Hells Pit!”

I’m sure Fritz didn’t think we was gonna get caught with his hands in the cookie jar.

I really dig those remix Hells Pit albums, I found myself bumpin those more than the original. 

They got caught again though when they released Jumpsteady’s The Road. The underlying music is supposedly mostly Midnight Syndicate stuff. At least according to the lawsuit. And it says that J and Kuma produced the music for that.

But why does that bother you so much? Sampling is part of like most hip hop songs. I mean I usually get disappointed when I find out that a beat that I always thought was super impressive, is basically just a great sample and a drum set. Necro for example is one of my all time favorite producers. But there are so many of his songs where I later found the sample and sometimes he wouldn’t even add that much to it. But still, he has great taste in samples and it still takes skill to transform them into a good hip hop beat. But of course it would be much more impressive if he’d created the beat from scratch.

Anyway, why does it bother you specifically with the Midnight Syndicate samples? What’s your take on sampling in general and is this a special case?

Side note, Three 6 Mafia sample them a lot as well. Check out their whosampled page: https://www.whosampled.com/Midnight-Syndicate/

To be fair, the Midnight Syndicate stuff was more than just a lil sample, they used pretty way too much to get away with not crediting them, just they may have felt that since they were forced to license the albums for Hell’s Pit, why not use the rest on Jumpsteady’s album, which was a bad idea. 

T.O. said

so is it just because they didn’t give credit where credit was due, or have works like hells pit also gotten artistically devalued to you, eversince you’ve found out about the many samples?  

I dont care about the sampling, I just can’t believe they were that stupid. 

Hell’s Pit wasnt their best,  they fell off after Jeckel Brothers. 

Drunkalo said
Y’all are way too edjumacated and anal, and this goes to so many people and threads. Stay on the sidelines and like a song or complete disk or dont… Having done too much research just makes you sound like an ass… No offence to everyone above me, just know us that like songs read too much and cant help but feel a certain way. Dont want to filter anyone, i swear it! Just stop looking into back stories and everything will be enjoyable to everyone?  

That seems to be more your problem than ours. If you don’t care for detailed discussions, then you are the one who should probably stay on the sidelines and let the ones who give a shit talk about it. I don’t see what’s wrong with it other than that we sound like an ass to you. But again, that seems to be something that you should probably work on for yourself. Like, why does people going into detail translate to sounding like an ass to you? But I guess you won’t go into that because that would be going into too much detail and you’d be too afraid to sound like an ass.