LuckyNumbrXIII said
Scruffy, I have noted that you are indifferent to pretty much everything ICP does.  I don’t know you personally, but it sounds like you just don’t want to get sucked into any hype and are happier when you hear something without someone else’s opinion of it on your mind.  I’m the same way.  It’s why I’m usually not here whenever an ICP album is close to release date.   

dont get what you mean.  im not indifferent to icp;  i love icp. 

or did you mean indifferent to when they fuck up?  which they have been known to do, now and again. 

KidCrusher won like, best underground rap from the FLH awards, right?  From that I gathered that people here like him.  

‘best metal album’.  which did not contribute to piquing my interest in him. 

i guess he does this edm stuff too…? 

Bloodstepp has been getting heavy promotion here, both officially on the page and word of mouth here on the forum.  That’s not a bad thing, and I think it’s dope that you guys are very supportive.  And the music is good, just not something I could listen to every day.  From that I gathered that people here like him.  

i like him.  hes a scrub juggalo musician who doesnt make scrub juggalo music.  that makes him worth his weight in gold.  or at least, high quality carbon fiber alloy. 

When ICP released Lost and Found, I read several times here that people hate hearing ICP do the EDM beats.  I dunno who, I didn’t keep a log.  If you’re so inclined, you can read through the 80 pages on the Official MML discussion, or go through the random “Yo ICP fell off big time Twiztid fo life son!” threads and see people say it there too.  

im not so inclined.  im sure the remarks are there, it just seems like a stretch that a noticeable statistical bump occurs when correlating those posters to the, what, eight or ten ninjas on the forum that jock bloodstepp. 

To be frank, I dunno what qualifies as EDM either.  I suppose Explosions with the BUMM BUMM BAH… BUMM BUMM BAH! is EDM?  

based on how the term is thrown around last couple years, id say it means ‘music that was recorded in a nonlinear fashion without a setpiece band.’ 

I mean, back in the shangri la days… I liked Shangri La, but then afterwards when Violent J pretty much tried to become Eddie Vedder, I started hating the “rock” ICP.  Even though I love rock music, Eddie Vedder included.  So I’m guilty of this too, I suppose.  
I feel like ICP always kind of emulated what was hot at the time.  CoC and Ringmaster were heavy into gangsta rap during the early 90s.  Milenko and Jekyll Bros was heavy into Rap/Rock in the late 90s.  Shangri La was that butt-rock that was big in the early 2000s.  And now the new deck is following suit.  No pun intended.
I dunno, I think nowadays with the amount of music ICP puts out, I don’t mind them getting experimental with it.  Because as we said before, if you take a few songs here and a few songs there, you can build a classic ICP song out of all these tracks.  Just like if you take TMDP and House of Wax, you could make a classic album there too.  

dont get me started on shangrila.  

I just wanted to open discussion, because I dunno if it’s cuz I’m getting old and I don’t like “the new shit,” but these wub wub BZZZZZT beats…. I just don’t get it.  

its a natural consequence of workin with too many separate producers.  they all think they are cleverly bringin ‘new styles’ to icp, but theyre really mostly doin fairly standard second tier dj shit that, frankly, mad amateur juggalos out there can do just as well.  or better.  and overlapping each other, cuz they dont know what the others are doin. 

also, no mike clark.  thats another thing, these guys aint mike clark. 

Not trying to call anyone out or point the finger.  Like I said… civil discussion.

fuck you and everybody on your street.  in a civil way, of course. 

Bostin said
I don’t see it when people call ICP’s new beat edm style.. Edm= Electronic DANCE Music… You can’t dance to that shit.  

zprobably just another case of everybody using the term somewhat differently than intended, to the point that now it means sumn else. 

Some of them are electronic, because they are using a new generation of producer’s. Which personally I think props to them on being able to adapt and find a new sound while MEC is out on tour with Kid Rock..

put it like that, its as if theyre doin the best they can with what they have.  or, as i would describe it, making the best of a miserably shitty situation. 

Zero said
I don’t like the EDM/electronic beats ICP has been using lately, I have no clue who this “Bloodstep” person is, and I haven’t listened to Kidcrusher in years.

check bloodstepp out.  i mean, he does the electronic shit, so you may not dig it, but at least youll be expecting it goin in, and be a lil receptive to it.  or not, i dunno.  jus sayin. 

Your generalizations of people on these forums are invalid.  

id say the comparisons between them are invalid, but the overall generalizations are fair, if not especially accurate. 

LuckyNumbrXIII said
I’m open to discussion about what I said earlier.  Not going to defend my “generalizations,” especially since at least 2 forum members have confirmed that they fuck with BloodStepp because of his presence in these forums. 

im assumin you mean sean and scrubb.  in my instance, this would technically be incorrect. 

i dont fuck with him because of the forum, but i do give him extra juice for bein a forum member.  granted, the forum is how i heard of him, but thats true of a large litany of musicians, at this point.  either way, it aint the reason i stayed a fan.  i stayed a fan cuz he knows what hes doin, and makes stuff that i like to bump, when i feel like bumpin it. 

Like, I’m not incriminating people or anything like that, so it doesn’t matter if I generalize. 

no, you arent.  and no, it probably doesnt, except that it kinda muddies things up a tad. 

I’m not here to explain myself.  I just wanted an answer to my question, and I pretty much got it already.  

yes you are.  and, no, you didnt. 

well, a lil bit…  but to really have the answer, you need a much broader sample.  or a list applicable of individuals. 

LuckyNumbrXIII said
My question was mostly about why we don’t want ICP going in a direction, but liking artists that are in that direction.  

i addressed that, through example. 

ill use a more pointed example:  i occasionally bump paul simon.  if icp put out a years worth of paul simon-sounding music, or paul did the reverse, it would fuck me right up, to the point where i would be unhappy about it at best, and flat out hate it at worst. 

look, i felt like this when jeckel brothers came out.  ‘holy fuck, thats a lot of metally rock guitar…!  and what the hell is this sing-songy shit?  violent tryin to be michael jackson?’  loved the thumpy drum-n-bass-ness of it, but not the guitar.  and thats mec at work, who usually makes the guitar shit sound really good, compared to almost every one else in rap. 

but i got used to ajb, and now i enjoy it more.  still rate is as a middle of the pack jokers card, but i digs. 

it happened with bang pow boom.  and with shangrila, although shangrila still bugs me when i listen to it, so i hardly ever listen to it. 

But would you all agree that with Phantom, Outtakes, and the canon albums, you can make at LEAST one (very long) classic, enjoyable ICP album? 

surely you recall my thoughts on this from the other thread. 

Sean Law said
and your saying forum rappers are going nowhere and Junk is Junk?

i, uh, dont think thats what he was saying. 

junk is junk. 

as for the other question…  that is a topic that is rather…  ‘complicated’…  and its scope is far beyond this topic, and should therefore be discussed in its own thread.  if we dare to discuss it at all… 

LuckyNumbrXIII said 
Sean Law just madrox’ed the shit out of me, though.  So props.   

hah! 

official credit for turning ‘madrox’ into a verb. 

ima start tellin ninjas, ‘you got madroxed!’ 

I have noticed Shaggy’s evolution over time as well as an individual member of the group.  Makes me kinda tingly knowing he’s been considering a solo LP.  

me too.  cant wait. 

except, i doubt itll come out before ’17, unless hes plannin to start hackin away at it relatively soon.   so i gotta wait. 

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LuckyNumbrXIII said
What would you guys think ICP’s next logical musical step should be?   

i dunno.  i dont think logic really enters into it.  they just do what they do. 

i doubt they themselves plan shit out more than they absolutely have to. 

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i mean, look at the differences between the outtakes and the canon [to borrow your phrasing].  theres clearly two similar but distinctly separate artistic paths bein followed there. 

scruffy said

 

I have noticed Shaggy’s evolution over time as well as an individual member of the group.  Makes me kinda tingly knowing he’s been considering a solo LP.  

me too.  cant wait. 

except, i doubt itll come out before ’17, unless hes plannin to start hackin away at it relatively soon.   so i gotta wait. 

He is going into the studio to start recording after the Missing Link tour to work on his solo album. He has the album titled already.

scruffy said

PunkRockJuggalo said
lotsa stuff, including: 
http://www.bloodstepp.com

why didnt i do that…?  good lookin out, there, prj. 

No problem.

so he says now.  timetables have a way of stretching out. 

Oh, I know. Sort of like the much hyped Riddle Box tour being pushed back until the spring.

LuckyNumbrXIII said 
The individual songs… namely Why’d I have to die? and The Dream and Monster… are aeons above what made Lost as individual songs.  I’d dare say the latter two could have been Hallowicked tracks.   

considering it, id call all three of em hallowicked-worthy. 

i hope they didnt just run through all their ready tracks, and kept sumn extra fresh in the vault for halloween.  ill take a dope song that aint halloween related for a hallowicked track, over an average halloweened-out song.  of course, both is best.