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found something interesting in regards to MNE VS Psychopathic
January 21, 2017
11:03 pm
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i remember in 2003 Twiztid left Psychopathic for a short while, i remember seeing an interview on youtube back then, tried looking for it, i guess it no longer exists, but i did find something on another website i won’t mention, instead i’ll quote what was written

 

The story of Majik Recordz is filled with twists, turns, and unknowns. What REALLY happened with it, all the details, is really known only to the people involved, but many things have been confirmed, so here’s the story as it is widely known:

In 2003, the relationship between Twiztid and ICP was not really going too well. Twiztid had seemingly grown apart from the label, doing all their own albums and production, their own tours, etc. Rumors began to fly that Twiztid was leaving Psychopathic.

In May of 2003, those rumors almost became confirmed when a website for Majik Recordz popped up. Honestly, the label wasn’t supposed to be revealed until July, when The Green Book was released, but somehow the word leaked and juggalos got word that Twiztid was starting their own record label.

But it wasn’t just Twiztid. The ownership of the label was split between 3 people: Madrox, Monoxide…and former Psychopathic employee Tom Dub. Dub had basically been Twiztid’s tour manager on Psychopathic. He left Psychopathic in early 2003 (either quit or fired, depending on who you ask) and decided to help Twiztid get their label off the ground. Tom Dub also worked with Twiztid recording The Green Book. Psychopathic had pretty much zero input on the album, as it was all put together and done exactly how Twiztid wanted it, with the guests and producers they wanted. Rumor is Psychopathic almost didn’t

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release the album due to Mike E. Clark producing one of the tracks, but that, once again, is all rumor.

So anyway, in May, Majik Recordz became known and the first announced release for the label was to be the Samhein Witch Killaz album, which Twiztid had promised for Halloween of that year. They even opened a webstore, selling Majik Recordz and SWK merch. During all this time, Psychopathic pretty much had no comment on the situation and Twiztid and Tom Dub continued on along their merry way, forming Majik Recordz. They even opened up their own new webstore, TwiztidShop, which was basically competition to HatchetGear. Also, when new (and even old) Twiztid merch started popping up on TwiztidShop, NONE of the new items had the hatchetman logo on them. Even re-issued things, like hockey jerseys that originally had the hatchetman did NOT have them on the new versions. Eventually, when Psychopathic started breathing down Twiztid’s neck about selling Psychopathic merch without the logo, the hatchetman suddenly reappeared on all the merch.

Around this time, Blaze Ya Dead Homie also announced that he would be retiring and that his last performance would be at the 2003 Gathering. Whether he really intended to retire or not is still a mystery, but many think that Blaze was faking a retirement in order to get out of his Psychopathic contract and jump ship to Majik Recordz with Twiztid. But like I said, that’s just a rumor.

When The Green Book was released in July of 2003, the word ‘juggalo’ was never mentioned on the album. Twiztid and Blaze also went without face paint in the booklet, on tour, at the Gathering, etc. etc. Perhaps as a way to differentiate themselves from the rest of Psychopathic?

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At the 2003 Gathering of the Juggalos, the opening ceremony featured all of the Psychopathic artists coming onstage to welcome the juggalos to the event…all of the artists, that is, except for Twiztid and Blaze, who were mysteriously absent from the ceremony and never mentioned.

But Twiztid and Blaze DID show up, the next day, and were rolling all over the campgrounds alongside Tom Dub. Speaking of Tom Dub, he was sporting a brand new Majik Recordz tattoo…ON THE SIDE OF HIS HEAD! Many people took that to mean one thing: this label was for real and they were NOT bullshitting. This wasn’t going to be a little joke-label for side projects, like Joe and Joey Records. This was going to be the real deal.

Tensions at the 2003 Gathering were high…you could go to a Twiztid seminar and Madrox would say one thing. Then you could go to the ICP seminar an hour later and Violent J would totally contradict what Madrox had just said. When asked about the new label at the seminar, Twiztid replied that it was a for real record label and although they were still under contract to Psychopathic, Majik Recordz was their true new home. Then in the Psychopathic Seminar, when asked about it, Alex Abbiss replied that Majik Recordz was just a little side-label Twiztid started for fun. There were definitely some problems in the Psychopathic camp and no party wanted to get too much into detail about it.

After the Gathering, the shit pretty much hit the fan for Majik. Suddenly the site went down for “technical issues” and was promised to return soon. But weeks passed and the site stayed gone. Meanwhile, Twiztid booked their very own Halloween night concert event called Fright Fest, which many people saw as more competition with Psychopathic, going head-to-head against Hallowicked.

The site stayed gone and eventually, rumor leaked that Twiztid and Tom Dub had a falling out of sorts and that the new record label was possibly over. But things stayed pretty much secretive for awhile until Violent J started popping up online in ICP chatrooms…often drunk…and told a lot more to the story than he probably should have.

Tom Dub’s Majik Recordz tattoo
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He just went off on how things with Twiztid and them were falling apart and how Twiztid would probably be gone from Psychopathic before the year ended. According to Violent J, everything with Twiztid and them had seemed cool until ICP went on the Shangri-La Tour. When they came back from Europe, Violent J goes home, gets online and sees that while they were gone, Twiztid had pretty much jumped ship to Majik Recordz and was leaving Psychopathic. He had no clue what happened and everytime he tried to get in touch with Twiztid, Tom Dub refused to let him talk to them and wanted all the conversation to go thru him. He also revealed how pissed he was at Blaze for “retiring” only to start rapping and performing again with Twiztid only months later.

Rude Boy probably got the harshest diss in on Twiztid at the 2003 Big Ballas XMas Party in late December. Once again, Twiztid and Blaze were absent from the event. When he was onstage, Rude Boy said “I’m here! ICP’s here! Esham’s here! ABK’s here! Zug Izland’s here! But Twiztid and Blaze…they’re NOT here! I guess they got better things to do than hang out with the family!” The crowd booed the fuck out of that. Were they booing Rude Boy for what he said? Or were they booing Twiztid and Blaze for not being there? Probably a mixture of both I’d guess.

Violent J seemed pretty tore up over the issue,

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but he also knew that Twiztid and Tom Dub had also just had some issues and figured it was time to talk to Twiztid. So in January of 2004, Violent J announced in the chatrooms that he would be meeting with Twiztid in a few days to hammer out all the bullshit and try to fix the situation.

A week later, all Psychopathic websites popped up with a huge surprise. ICP’s site, Twiztid’s site, Blaze’s site, ABK’s…all of them had a big ass image which announced the return of Dark Lotus with a new album and tour.

I guess you could say ICP and Twiztid got shit straightened out.

Jamie Madrox later hit up his Batpage on Twiztid.com and laid down the law on what happend with Majik Recordz.

In short, according to Madrox, Tom Dub had spent months turning ICP and Twiztid against one another. He would tell Twiztid that ICP said this and that and then turn around and tell ICP how Twiztid had shittalked them. Without settling down to talk it out, tensions grew. When Tom Dub was later fired from Psychopathic, he continued on trying to turn Twiztid against them and into forming their own label. Thus Majik Recordz was born and the legal ownership was split evenly between Madrox, Monoxide, and Dub. Later on however, Twiztid learned of Dub’s deception towards Psychopathic and they told Dub to give ICP and Alex a written letter of apology, detailing the truth of what happened. Dub refused and so Twiztid broke off the relationship with Tom Dub and that, ladies and gentlemen, was the end of Majik Recordz.

After having their discussion and hammering shit out, a number of things happened. Suddenly, shit was back to being like the old days again. Blaze came out of retirement, Twiztid and ICP were hanging out together like it was 1998 again, they wrote, recorded, and released a Dark Lotus album in 3 months and then toured together for it. At the 2004 Gathering, things were once again like old times, no more bullshit contradictions, Twiztid and Blaze WERE at the opening ceremony, and everything was cool again. When asked at the seminars what happened with Majik Recordz, Twiztid simply replied “It’s dead and fuck Tom Dub.”

Tom Dub’s story is a bit different. According to him, he was never fired from Psychopathic, he left on his own and joined Twiztid, who were unhappy on Psychopathic. They started up Majik Recordz as a way to release albums from underground talent that Psychopathic wasn’t interested in (i.e. Q-Strange, who was almost signed to the label at one point). Dub claims he almost had a million dollar distribution deal lined up with Artemis Records which would have put Majik Recordz albums in every store in America. He also claims Blaze retired so as to jump ship to Majik and that eventually, with nothing happening, the label began to fall apart and was used only to re-release the old House of Krazees albums before Twiztid eventually asked him to leave the label and only run the webstore. Insulted, Tom Dub claims he left Majik on his own and that the ownership is tied up in court.

2004’s Dark Lotus album Black Rain
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Also, in 2004, Twiztid were made DONS of Psychopathic Records. For the past 12 years, there have always been only 5 Dons in the company: Violent J, Shaggy, Alex, Jumpsteady, and Billy Bill. Madrox and Monoxide became the 6th and 7th Dons. Being a Don in Psychopathic Records is pretty much co-ownership of the company. Twiztid now officially helps run and operate Psychopathic Records and have total power over pretty much anything.

Also, as a way to sort of “publicly fire” Tom Dub, footage of him in a wrestling match was added to the JCW Vol. 3 DVD and it was added as a “Loser Leaves Psychopathic” match, which Dub promptly lost.

Currently, Majik Recordz is and will probably always stay dead. TwiztidShop has shut down and Twiztid merch is once again available on HatchetGear. As far as is known, Tom Dub still owns his share of Majik Recordz and refuses to sell it to Twiztid and vice versa. With all 3 of them still owning their portions of it but refusing to work together, the company will go nowhere. The SWK album has yet to be released and no word on it appears to be coming anytime soon.

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January 21, 2017
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I stopped reading at your assessment of GOTJ’O3 seminars. It wasn’t like that. The only discrepancy was the Dark Lotus thing, and that was just a miscommunication that ended up springboarding into Black Rain. There was VERY little tention at 03 Gathering. Leading into it there was a bit… but the seminars? Nah. 

January 21, 2017
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What’s so interesting about this? It’s definitely old news at this point… I’m pretty sure I read this over a decade ago

…although rereading this makes me nostalgic. Never thought I’d miss the confusing days of post Green Book underground.

January 22, 2017
12:00 am
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I stopped reading at your assessment of GOTJ’O3 seminars. It wasn’t like that. The only discrepancy was the Dark Lotus thing, and that was just a miscommunication that ended up springboarding into Black Rain. There was VERY little tention at 03 Gathering. Leading into it there was a bit… but the seminars? Nah.   

thats what somebody else wrote not me, 

 

TheFvckinKreeper said
What’s so interesting about this? It’s definitely old news at this point… I’m pretty sure I read this over a decade ago

…although rereading this makes me nostalgic. Never thought I’d miss the confusing days of post Green Book underground.  

i wasn’t aware it was common knowledge on here, i tried lookin for threads about pre-2005 stuff cuz i’ve always wondered what the forums thought about happenings back then, such as boondox being signed and what not cuz back then i only got my news from chatrooms lol, i remember there was a juggalo myspace back then rofl

 

back then i was able to just enjoy the music and never read about all this persoal lives shit that everybody seems to worry about, it’s sad seeing the fam at war like this, pickin and choosin sides when we should all just enjoy the music.

January 22, 2017
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too bad horrorcore.com was never archived

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January 22, 2017
3:40 pm
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I can’t help but see that…

Twiztid stayed with PSY once they realized how tough it was to do things on your own label.

They also didn’t have as solid of a fan-base in 2003, so the likelihood of personal success was low and it was safer to stay where they are.

Then around 2011 ICP started spending money on fighting the FBI and Twiztid had a solid following, they bailed shortly after. Likely because so much was being spent on defending the juggalo name.

Every since, Twiztid has been so focused on merchandising that Gene Simmons would blush and they of course now have no interest in sticking up for the issues juggalos face in real life.

These correlations are hard to ignore.

(rant time)

I have always appreciated how much time and money ICP has put into fighting the FBI in the last 5 years. They are in no way obligated to. Any other artist wouldn’t give two shits about what’s happening to their fans on the streets. ICP could easily just shrug it off and just continue to make music and let juggalos be harrassed by the law. No juggalos ever put it on ICP’s shoulders either. When a ninja got arrested or profiled for being a juggalo, they don’t think “why isn’t ICP doing something about this?” Even juggalos don’t consider it ICP’s responsibility to change laws! But ICP has true love for us juggalos and won’t let that bullshit continue without a fight.

Twiztid continuing to use the juggalo brand to sell shit but not sticking up for us when it really matters is why this is such a big deal. If Twiztid really was doing there own thing and declined, it would be a different story, but they are doing ICP’s thing and still claiming to rep juggalos. ICP is basically getting their ass beat while Twiztid runs away because they feel it’s not their fight. Sure Twiztid can do whatever they want, and we can in turn respond how we want and I say fuck a friend who runs from a fight!

And to call it promotional move for ICP is just wack, of course Twiztid would say that because everything is a promotional move for them. ICP has lost so much fucking money fighting the FBI, there is no capitol to gain from this. And what, is being out spoken about unlawful persecution going to get them more fans? You think the people that don’t know/already hate us are going to look at the march and go “Juggalos are not being treated fairly by the law? I want to be a juggalo!” or “wow I was really wrong about ICP, can’t believe this is happening to them” Fuck no, every non-juggalo that hears these stories of profiling don’t take it serious at all and just might even take it less serious after the march, because that’s how much we are hated. Being outspoken about this is not going to get them more money, positive publicity or fans. Just dignity and proving that they won’t take this shit lying down. And severing ties with MNE is also likely to lose them fans and money! Once again, proof that ICP is all about juggalos and standing up for what they think is right, not money or positive publicity.

By the way, anybody ever notice……. MNE……MoNEy….

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January 22, 2017
8:21 pm
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One problem with your rant… ACLU has been paying for it since they got involved. I know it won’t change your view, because you already had your mind made up prior to anything, but fact is the ACLU has been covering the cost of taking on the FBI since they got involved. If the march is not funded by the ACLU then that is probably all ICP’s idea. Which, is only to give a middle finger to the FBI so it’s admitted to be done for self indulgent reasons rather than to help juggalos.

January 23, 2017
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King Lucem Ferre said
One problem with your rant… ACLU has been paying for it since they got involved. I know it won’t change your view, because you already had your mind made up prior to anything, but fact is the ACLU has been covering the cost of taking on the FBI since they got involved. If the march is not funded by the ACLU then that is probably all ICP’s idea. Which, is only to give a middle finger to the FBI so it’s admitted to be done for self indulgent reasons rather than to help juggalos.  

It’s worth noting that ICP have referred individual Juggalos who have been affected by the gang label to their contacts at the ACLU, which is a resource that they might not have been aware of otherwise. That’s not a hollow gesture, no matter where the purse strings lead.

The march may very well be indulgent. But so what? Let us have, if nothing else, our own Gay Pride Parade at the nation’s capital. The indulgent nature of it is not exclusive to its capacity to be helpful. Providing a voice, an awareness, solidarity and fellowship can be helpful to the people who have suffered through it in a way no amount of litigation can. Because for a lot of them the damage is already done.

Around here, a lot of cops are cool about it. I’m not gonna lie, I’ve been blessed to have never had to deal with a dickhead cop. I had one officer sit and kick it with me about his run ins with Juggalos who tag or shoplift or pop pills. “Juggalos aren’t a gang. They’re stupid kids, same as any stupid kids. Maybe a little stupider. Country music fans are the ones who give me the most trouble.” He said. And he let me walk. He didn’t have to. He could have cuffed me and I would have had it coming, because I fucked up.

Inside it’s a different story. Hatchetman tats mean gang segregation, so it’s typically you and if you’re lucky one other dude surrounded on all sides by people who don’t like you and guards who don’t give a fuck about you. I’ve had a few friends who’ve been fucked up literally and figuratively over that, and it really sucks if you’re in there for selling some weed or a bitchass parole violation. For those guys, I’m sure they’ve seen all they care to of the inside of a courthouse. So why not go flip the bird towards the heart of the system that fucked them? I dunno, maybe we can cap off this march by encouraging Juggalos to go home and write their congressman or some shit.

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