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DCG Con and juggalo March

April 23, 2017
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Whattup doe? This is about to feel like one of Violent J’s long ass articles that gets posted in the Hatchet Herald. So, if you don’t got the patience to read, don’t bother with it. It’s a thinker. Backstory…. I felt compelled to come to Michigan and make a movie back in 2011. Right after I’m pretty sure I was added to the gang list. Odd story. Fast forward to a couple days ago, and I’m about to submit the movie to a film festival. I have this strange feeling that I should go ask J and Shaggy for permission, since I mention Juggalos, the gang list, my story with it, and the march. Maybe a part of me was hoping to use “What is a Juggalo” in the beginning of the flick, instead of what I got permission for from Anno Domini, the dude who manages The Jokerr, and does all kinds of shit with beats, talented dude. Anyway, every time I tried to film the shit, it didn’t look right.

So I pulled a ghetto maneuver, and tried to ECW my way into it being a movie, when technically it doesn’t look like one. Doesn’t really matter, it’s just a local film festival hosted by Michael Moore. It’s kind of documentary style, so I’m thinking, whatever, let’s see if it flies. The premise is that I’m trying to start a non profit organization for kids in placement and foster care to teach ’em to read, (or read better) give ’em a way to have weekly classes like middle class kids do, painting, piano, whatever the fuck they want, tell people how I plan to pay for it, and eventually, set up a camp where they can go to in the summer, and try out a bunch of different educational and recreational shit, as well as give the staff the potential to learn some shit for free too. While I’m going over the film, and checking to see if it’s good enough for a film festival, due to the limited resources I have, the whole Tech N9ne and Violent J thing happened.

I start wondering if all this “Fuck the march” talk is really the right stance, even though I know from first hand experience that most likely, the people that are gonna feel the brunt of the gang classification are kids. Kids that would end up in placement and foster care and stupid shit like that, maybe for breaking probation or getting caught with herb or some dumb shit, (or from parents losing their kids because they are treated like gang members) it’s a real money maker, state systems like that. (100,000 a year per kid from tax payer money) I should know, I was taken illegally myself. (That’s shit none of you would ever even think of, cuz you simply don’t know, and you get years in placement for shit, they’d have NO VOICE.) AND, it’s how I ended up connecting with ICP’s music in the first place, my foster brother lent me a green tape entitled “Beverly Kills.” Now, oddly enough, my wife’s first tape was entitled “Terror Wheel.” So, when I found out about the DCG Con, and the concert playing both of those shows, I was like, here we go again……. What do they want from me? (When you see her name in the film, google it… I dare you, and you will understand why she WAS a Juggalo.)

I say fuck it, cuz everybody on fayglovers that I’ve talked to, did their best to be like, “Dude, they aren’t talking to you, you’re crazy, go take your meds”. So, I’m like, alright, fuck it. BUT, I still got this movie, and about a month ago, I get a dark lotus song phrase stuck in my head, out of fucking nowhere “Known by the lips of the 7 churches” it’s just playing in my head over and over and over and over again, so I go look on biblehub.com, like, what the fuck are the 7 churches? Then I read it, and BANG!!! Instant revelation. I put that information in the movie. But, I still don’t want to present it to ICP, cuz of this whole Raven thing…. that people convince me is fake, even Marz. (Even though it’s mentioned in the Tech N9ne diss, Eat 2, go listen, AND the bible, from Jesus’ own mouth….) (Consider the ravens for they neither sow nor reap, have no store room or barn and yet still God feeds them, how much more valuable are you than birds!) (Do you understands it’s point?) (And yes, in the original Greek, that’s Korakas, Ravens, in the original language that the new testament was written in. So…………. WHO really believes in the scriptures? Y’shua, Jesus, as we call him in faith.)

Which came out a few hours after my film rendered.

So, I start focusing on Godly people, maybe this will help them convert people, since, that’s what the 7 churches are…

So, I start watching TD Jakes. Remember when ICP threw that dart and where it landed…. yeah, Dallas… which is where TD Jakes is. I start wondering, maybe… just maybe…. then… POW!!! I found a comedian who is gonna be in Cincinatti who is associated with TD Jakes. ICP is gonna be in Mount Clements 4-22, He’s gonna be in Cincinatti on 4-23. Now I have options… since I got till May 13 or so to present the film to the festival or not. I didn’t know about the comedian and what the point was, until I saw this video…. and by watching this video, I don’t know, it made me feel like I should present it to someone a little higher up than this film festival that I’ve been lookin at. So, HE posts that not only is he going to the big Mega Fest Church event in Dallas, after I make my decision to go to him instead of ICP, and ask him if he can pass it on, BUT, he also posts the very video that inspired me to go down and try to share the movie with him in the first place…. the very video posted above. It’s worth the watch, regardless of who you are.

So, I follow him on facebook, and I respond to his video and tell him my little story about wanting to go down and hand him the movie, and that I’m afraid that since it involves black market children and a corrupt legal system, I MIGHT not go. He liked EVERYONE else’s comments but mine. I thought, maybe this aint even him, it’s an admin, so I called him out on it. THEN he posts a video proving that it’s him, and says all kinds of random shit that hit me weird, even something about clowns, a big bird, and hiccups, which I show the cure for in the movie, and a turtle, which I was wearing a turtle shirt, in the movie. So I’m like, alright, I’ll go to DCG Con instead, since he made a response saying that it IS in fact his channel, but still didn’t like my comment. THAT video is here, https://www.facebook.com/MichaelJrComedy/videos/10158595391840253/ (Which he posted right after I woke up from the dream I explain later) Either way, I would be over drafting from my bank account to pull off either one, and he was farther anyway. Maybe since I bring up Juggalos and shit, maybe there’s a point to it all. But, I get a bit depressed, cuz last time I tried to say anything to anyone from PSY about getting weird messages, I talked to ABK, and he hid behind a van and called someone on the phone, basically telling me that he’s just a rapper, he’s just there to do music. That there’s nothing he can do about the gang classification. So….

I’m fucking confused, and depressed, cuz I don’t want to waste my money on people who say and do shit and never actually listen to people, or give clear fucking answers. I’m either crazy, or something deeper is going on. So, I took a sad nap, and I have a dream. In the dream, on 4-21-17 I’m talking to ICP and Jumpsteady on Psychopathic radio, and I hear a song from the 4th jokers card, the new one that hasn’t been given any info about. The chorus of the song is something like “You can make it”. (Whether or not that’s truly what will be on there, doesn’t really matter….. just saying, I heard a song from ICP that none of you have heard, and it was in a dream.) I’m trying to tell ’em that if instead of focusing on the people that are makin money off Juggalos, why don’t they make a video of actual fucking Juggalos explaining why they became Juggalos in the first place. Now, every Juggalo I know has some fucked up past story. Mine, being taken illegally by the state of Michigan, and separated from my mom, then my brothers, then all of my family, a bunch of lies put in my file by my foster parents, and then thrown into placement until I turned 18. Were it not for ICP’s music talking about real ghetto shit, (in the beginning,) I would’ve killed a bunch of people… for real… I had names…

So, for me… being a Juggalo meant something personal. I was from Detroit, and it acted like a stress release, for me anyway. I found humor where there was none before. I didn’t really start meeting other Juggalos till much later. Anyway. I was trying to explain also, in the dream, that there are quite a few labels that are mostly Juggalos themselves, instead of going for bigger names, why couldn’t there be a really REAL underground cypher sent in by each label , where they explain shit themselves. How did a Juggalo march become a name grab? Then, they were like, we see your point, then laughed, and hung up on me. Then restarted the Juggalo show, and I listened to other people’s stories on the air. It was pretty cool, but I felt dismissed… again.

(I think I even said something like, why don’t you hold a concert to raise money to help bus people to D.C. like, when Tech N9ne isn’t busy…..)

I wake up like, woah, I heard some of the new album, talked to them, but now I had crazy vertigo. Like, I felt drunk, but without a buzz. Fucking sucked. 24 hours or so, like, I couldn’t walk straight, or get out of bed… (But that video from the comedian fucked with my head a little, but made the message more clear.) I was still unsure because of the newly aforementioned vertigo, I was still doubting going down, but on 4-22 an hour before I had to decide, if I was gonna make it down by 6pm, the time of the autograph signing, My very foster brother who gave me the tape, responded to a 5 year old facebook message saying “Yo, why did I just get this?” Mere Minutes to decide, after 5 and a half years later? That did it.

I can’t shake the feeling to put myself into debt and drive the 4 hours or so down to the DCG con. I finally get down there with a hand written link to the private youtube video of the movie, again, only really thinking, maybe it’s more up to them on if what I say is disrespectful, cuz I do mention that a lot of you “juggalos” are Satanic, and a lot of you are Atheist. Is that really disrespectful? Or just honest? I don’t know. You’d think that the people who are killing people, and doing weird shit “as juggalos” would more be reflecting their religious beliefs than their musical tastes… but that’s just my opinion….

I say fuck it, since I was at the first Juggalo day in Detroit, even though I didn’t wait for ICP to show up, cuz they were like 3 hours late. I paid for a ticket to the gathering in 02 or some shit when it was in Peoria, and never got my ticket in the mail… let’s just say that somehow I always get the bone from these fuckers. And now I might be a gang member cuz I bought some shit from Hot Topic? (Not to mention the waste of money it was to go see ABK, and pay for the meet and greet a few years back.) My wife, my daughter, and I drive down 4 hours, get there, and I’m thinking… well… J probably won’t give a shit about what I have to say, or the movie, or any of it. I feel like I’m supposed to talk to Hoodoo, I get the sense that he actually cares for some reason, maybe I’m just gay. I pull up at Gibralter, go through the main area, get to the section they rented out, see a ton of Juggalos and for some reason it just hits me… What the fuck am I gonna tell Juggalos that they’d actually listen to, have you seen the conversations on here?

Who am I to tell Juggalos that Christ is real, and the apostle Paul, from the bible, is called the NINJA apostle? BOOM!! That the reason most of you don’t believe in God, is because the early church perverted the message, and used it to kill people, and spread their own kingdom. They took out the feast days, which helps you understand God and Jesus and our role on earth just by participating in them. (The feast days) Not Christmas and Easter, but the 7 feast days that somehow the church still doesn’t follow. That you would never be listening to this music if the world wasn’t so shitty. We’d be happy, no reason to be all mad and dark with our moods, and our lyrics. Who am I to say that what is happening to Juggalos is no different to what is happening to Muslims, or holistic doctors, or conspiracy theorists, or hippies in the 60’s, or black people in the 50’s, the very fact that an entire sub population gets broad stroked by the actions of a few, means that there is strength that is untapped, and people are afraid of it.

Who am I to say shit to any of you? Who am I to care that people can get fucked for funding, (The American motto as it seems.)? Who am I to suggest anything to any of you? I’m just a guy who’s been listening to a group of people for over 22 years now, and wears some shirts. No tattoos even. Only been to three concerts. Never been to a gathering. I just wanted to start a non profit organization to help educate kids who went through what I went through, and IF, when that cop wrote my name down, IF he added me to the gang list, then am I selfish for worrying that it will prevent me from starting the non profit organization, or getting funding, or being considered some kind of gang bullshit? Am I the person Juggalos are bitching about, saying that there’s no reason to march, that it’s a publicity stunt, that it’s pointless? Well if that’s the fact, then how do I find out if I am on the list or not, and if I am, how do I renounce you?

(Cuz with real gangs, you can leave the gang, and cops know it.)

Cuz I asked a cop if it was true that Juggalos were considered a gang. He wrote my name down, and he wrote my wife’s name down. I wasn’t even wearing a hatchetman shirt. I asked a question. “Is it true that Juggalos are considered a gang in Arizona? How do you tell the difference between a gang member and a fan of the music?” Then he took our names, and ID. Am I supposed to throw away my shirts, destroy my cds, delete the downloads on my computer, what bands am I not allowed to listen to? How can I make that official? Am I supposed to delete all Juggalos off my facebook friends list? IF I am on the list, how the fuck do I get off of it? It’s not worth all the trouble to talk to you people if it means I’m a gang member. Anyway, until those legal things are at least made clear…….. I have no choice but to claim that the gang ruling is bullshit, and that most likely, WHY Juggalos are on the gang list, is because there are actual small juggalo gangs, just like in Detroit, you got a gang on one street, and another one on another street. I’ve actually seen this with juggalos in Arizona, and was warned by REAL Juggalos, to be careful around those people, AND THOSE SPECIFIC STREETS. How can a gang be against itself? SERIOUSLY! That’s what they were doing, they were attacking and robbing Juggalos. Fans. These people simply put the name Juggalo in their street gang name. It would be like a priest calling himself a priest, when he’s molesting kids, and worshipping the devil. That’s no longer a priest when that happens. Not in real life. Not the real definition. He no longer represents God’s people. It’s that simple. Jesus himself will help you understand this concept…..

Matthew 7

16“By their fruits you shall know them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?

17“So every good tree yields good fruit, but a rotten tree yields wicked fruit.

18“A good tree is unable to yield wicked fruit, and a rotten tree to yield good fruit.

19“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

20“So then, by their fruits you shall know them –

This would basically mean that anyone who judges people by the actions of their group, or sub culture, or race, or religion, or whatever, is just lazy. And the law enforcement that oversees these things, are just lazy. ICP essentially taught me that creativity is an easy way to enjoy myself in dark times. ICP taught me that I have to be careful with my message, and not to be a hypocrite, since we can all see how that’s working out for them now. ICP taught me how easy it would be to raise money for real causes, and that they’ve had the power to do so for so long, it’s odd that they’ve done nothing to help with bigger issues. (Like the ones they rap about.) They showed me that lack. That if they could do it, of all people, it shouldn’t be that hard for the government to fix things. They showed me that no matter who I look up to, there will be something missing, something that I can contribute to myself. Even if you people don’t give a shit about the music I did, and put on faygoluvers expecting people to at least tell me their opinions, on whether music is something I should pursue or not, if there’s any talent in me for that…. even if it’s not you that listens. Other people teach these things, more directly, but ICP was all a scrub had growing up. I trusted no one, cuz of my situation. I didn’t look outside of my own box, cuz of my situation. I learned slowly, through their mistakes. Even if I never listen to any of this kind of music again, I cannot escape where I came from. For the simple fact that their story is a part of my life, for so long, and more importantly the only form of light that I had in the darkest times of my life, for these things, I will always be….”down with the clown”.

But, if Juggalos remain on the gang list, then I can’t stand behind you. If you don’t see the microcosm of the world’s problems that are presented with this classification, then we are not the same thing. All races, all religions, all peoples that have been mistreated by the government, (simply, other people, no conspiracy needed) white men are taking a stand. That shouldn’t mean anything, but history shows, that’s when change happens. I present my movie for you to tell me, as Juggalos, does this offend you? Does this make you look bad? Does what I say, and do in it, embarrass you? Can I submit it to the film festival, and try to raise the money to actually do something with my life, or should I cut out all mentioning of Juggalo, and then submit it? And just hope that the cop did a background check instead of adding me and my wife to the list? It’s up to you, more than ICP, more than anyone who will be holding, attending, or not attending the concert or march in Washington, more than the FBI, either I do not represent you well, or you’re cool with it. So, here it is. It’s an hour and 43 minutes. 143, love, supposedly, I have until May 13th to submit it, I’d like to not wait until the last minute, so I can see if it’s even accepted. The only thing that has to do with you is being mentioned, me telling my story, and if that’s offensive, then tell me in the comment section of the video, and I’ll cut out all mention of Juggalo.

But I refused to go down to the DCG Con, pay 25 dollars, after all the gas money, and overdraft fees, and food on the drive down, and fucking cigarettes, since I couldn’t bring my organic tobacco and roller, cuz the lighter socket to plug it into is broke, walk up to one of them, all of them at Psychopathic, giving them anything less than a business card, (I wrote the shit down on sticky notes) and sit around and fucking wait, and miss my “time to beam in 17”, something that is ACTUALLY biblical, it’s the year of Jubilee! It happens every 50 years! 17 is the biblical number for victory, or overcoming the enemy! How do they know this shit? Does it matter? Was it on purpose, or purely accidental? To me, it’s always mattered. The main thing that Juggalos have shown me over the years, is to love your neighbor as you love yourself. This is the second highest law of the scriptures. I wouldn’t have had that without them. Without you. Or, the idea of you, at least. The first is to love God with all your heart, and if they are following God, then I have to love Him, cuz without God, there’d be no ICP. As odd as that sounds to Christians, THEY showed me that.

Anyway, here’s my bullshit. Feel free to give your honest opinion, because I need to know if I should cut out all the Juggalo shit mentioned, or not, and ONLY YOU can decide how it should go down. I am not claiming Juggalo only when it’s convenient, as the story above should PROVE. And miss me with all that “I don’t want to watch it” crybaby shit, I don’t need to hear that, just your real opinion, IF you watch it, if not, shut the fuck up. AND, If I should contact PSY within the next week or so, to see if I can use “What is a juggalo” at the beginning. That’s your mission, should you choose to accept it. https://youtu.be/okyR_v4pI1M

April 23, 2017
6:40 pm

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Jesus Fucking Christ!

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April 23, 2017
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I havent watched the video, but I can tell you right now my vote is on submission.

Dude, its incredibly thoughtful that you chose to share some of your story and ask us what we think about the whole thing.

From my end though? Doesnt matter whether or not it it offends us or represenents us.

Because being a juggalo means different things to different people and its impossible to get it all right.

Juggalos hate it when the world puts a negative blanket over the word juggalo.

Well, I hate it when juggalos put a positive blanket over the word. Because there really ARE satanic and athiest juggalos. We really DO haves gangs, thieves and murderers.

Im not sure how biased the doc might be because you happen to be a juggalo. I do know that not all docs have to be completely objective.

That being said, if you are genuine about it, if you poured your soul into it, then it does represent juggalos. Even if thats only for you. You ARE one!

Juggalos are about individuality and being open minded. So for someone on here to tell you that you dont represent the culture well is absolute horse shit, if you really are geniune about the whole thing…and i can tell you are.

Let me ask you this, you kept bringing up these little coincidences or signs(which term you use is irrelevant), so do you feel in your heart that your god is hinting at you to go through with it? If the answer is yes then thats all the answer you need right there.

Honestly you couldnt cause any more damage than whats been done. If you feel like you are being honest in the doc about the positive and also negative aspects of being a juggalo, then thats all that i would ask personally as a juggalo.

Thats textbook integrity if you ask me.

Submit your doc.

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April 23, 2017
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Havent read this yet, but a word of advice moving forward:

If you are making a large post like this, PLEASE divide it into sections with section headers. It will make it much easier to chunk and read, which in turn means more people will actually read it.

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April 23, 2017
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The autism is real with this one…no offense homie.

I understand that you think every little thing you see is a sign, buts thats just not always the case. Your brain works on a crazy frequency, some of it is a good thing, but some of it is a bad thing. I think you need to self reflect and work on yourself, before you start talking for others.

The short story you posted above is incoherent and jumbled, prolly because your thinking about too many things at once. You need to slow yourself down and really focus on your true intentions. I know your trying to be a good human, but i think you need to find yourself and be that person. I feel that your at a fork in the road, which is why your are juggling between doing something or not. If you understood yourself, you wouldnt ask us if this is right or not. I think you need to educate yourself on other types of religions and more importantly spirituality. Look at the connections between science and religion.

The Catholic or Christian rabbit hole you have went down has gotten so deep that you are now being blinded from everything. Climb back out and explore other rabbit holes. You will end up seeing that all religions are basically spewing the same thing. Start making the connections between and you will figure out that YOU are the god and that WE are all ONE. We just live in our own perceptions of what we call reality, while collectively experiencing the same things. Your are a projection of light/matter/energy, and if that wasnt true you wouldnt exist on this plane of the universe

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I think instead of having any focus on juggalos and god, i think you should expose that corrupt child laundering issue that has obviously affected you the most. Leave out your religious beliefs and the word juggalo and focus heavily on the true issue. Dont be afraid to expose people and companies. When you start to put your beliefs and associations in something like that it comes off as a one dimensional perspective and bias. Most people will quickly make opinions of you and your point will get lost in translation.

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April 23, 2017
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I say submit it but don’t get butt hurt when people don’t like it.

Ravens are a common element in mythology because they eat rotting dead festering corpses but are more common than say vultures.

ICP are definitely spiritually in tune with their own sense of spirituality and its good that it resonated with you, but it isn’t some God sent code. It’s a tendency of our brains to look for patterns and yours sound like it’s working extra hard.

Take a deep breath. Keep working on your story and if the religious stuff and juggalo is part of it, you might resonate with someone else and that’s really all you can ask for.

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April 23, 2017
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Hey, Brandan. Congratulations on your personal epiphany. My honest opinion is that using anything Juggalo in your production is your call, not mine or anyone else’s. Something I heard that stuck is that personal power is the one thing that you can never give up. And I don’t see you in charge of a group of kids (not because of a bullshit gang affiliation, but because you come across as one of them midnight creeps at Denny’s, talking to himself & licking his pennies.) Blaming a gang just seems lazy. If you and your god decide to get help, this might be useful:

SAMHSA Treatment Referral Helpline – 1‑877‑SAMHSA7 (1‑877‑726‑4727)

Get general information on mental health and locate treatment services in your area. Speak to a live person, Monday through Friday from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. EST.

If not, maybe share yourself at GOTJ? Or not.

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April 23, 2017
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@ravenofthelotus , Did you ever get your last project off the ground? Your cure for mental illness? I think you went under the name @iamtheraven before (at least the I.P.s are from the same city) https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/…..r-him-out/

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April 23, 2017
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RavenoftheLotus said
Way too much with way too little structure.

Holy fucking shit are you stupid. Wow. You’re either an incredibly dedicated troll or a complete waste of air on this beautifully godless little planet of ours. Can’t tell which one but I hope you get better. Either lay off of or double up on your meds, man.

If you don’t want the “cry baby” response of;

Reveal Spoiler

I skipped thru your nonsense lecture to see if you would say anything remotely interesting. You did not. In fact, it is somehow even less fucking organized than the goddamned padded cell scribblings that you wrote in your own feces that some how ended up on this forum as your first (and hopefully last) post, which is saying a whole lot. The only redeeming quality to any of the shit-smear you left as a first impression is that if we remain on the gang list, you won’t support us anymore. The gang label sucks but I’ll gladly wear red everyday, legit murder people with a hatchet and start a real Juggalo gang if it means you disassociating yourself with anything that remotely involves the label of “Juggalo”. I neither need nor want your support.

than I suggest taking Noah’s response to heart and just submit it and accept that some will not like it.

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April 23, 2017
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W.T.F. did I just not read? this fool needs to write a book, get a life and quit taking this juggalo shit so seriously!

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April 23, 2017
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This isn’t me reacting to every little thing…. and, structured or not, the videos are there. These things occurred during prayer. Not sure if you know what that is, but that’s when they occurred. (Not a prayer to myself, mind you) So…. if you get the point of it, yes, this was me from the mental illness thing, because, what is explained in the movie, which is a product, that can be viewed, for free, actually attempts to establish a larger concept that would cover mental illness, especially from the people, kids, growing up in the system. Psych wards, are one such system… The idea got bigger and smaller at the same time. And no, I wouldn’t necessarily be around any kids, due to my illness, I would just be some random guy coming up with who to get ahold of and how to pay the people that wanted to help the kids, like my job in the military, transportation management. And a movie is something that could be put into people like Michael Moore’s hands…You will see the cure to hiccups, you will see some funny shit, and some cool inventions…. I think I even handle how I ended up on the gang list pretty humorously, on top of proving that in the very least, that “I” am not a gang member, which is what the march is about. So, if all those things come across as scattered, or “autistic” then without watching the videos, all of them, then you wouldn’t understand if what is said in the movie, or the point of the other video, which inspired me, is disrespectful to Juggalos or not, which is the point of my attempt to get permission.

Because, with the depth of the gravity of the situation of labelling kids gang members, (and c’mon who even listens to this stuff anymore) and sending them to jail, or placement, or lock up, it would be a continuation of my childhood, and the very thing that helped me survive it, (the music, of the insane clown posse and other psychopathic records employees, the very thing that helped me, where many others failed, including the church, the agencies, the courts, and the psychologists in said systems, would end up putting people in those exact same scenarios, thus, reminding you, how I became a Juggalo in the first place.) As for the name of The Raven. While I was in my second foster home, the one who lied and said that I stole like 5,000 in jewelry from my foster family, who were Muslim by the way, from Jordan and shit, like, Trump…. never mind, and then locking me up in said placement, after my social worker told me what the agency did… cuz they were after funding… quotas, pure and simple… While I was watching the movie The Crow, which my first name is Brandan-Lee, while I was watching the movie for the first time, at the end of the movie, I got this very deep feeling “You are the raven”. Long time ago. Before ICP and shit started saying it. Deeper level of reality.

My wife, who was purchased as a baby, yeah… purchased, and even has a famous legal case in google history, saw the same movie, and she was told, “you will marry the crow”. (It’s the same word in the bible for both.) Now, how does this pertain to ICP, and the first album that we both received? Beverly kills, and Terror wheel…. well, it didn’t. Other than to draw some form of conclusion, about how children as young as we were, ended up listening to certain kinds of music. ( a pretty messed up childhood)

We both liked Marylin Manson and Korn as well, and a bunch of other music. Also, it applies to the last concert held. Also, it applies, to the fact that we may both be on a gang list. Also, it applies, that ICP is doing the march, and not even Tech N9ne is showing up? Twiztid isn’t showing up? Are you serious? Because people claiming family, fucked a chick and got her pregnant, and that kid will grow up how, exactly? How is all of this relevant? I can’t give you an epiphany. I can only point to one. Who the fuck is seriously going to get people, who barely even listen to the music, weren’t even wearing tshirts, just asked a fucking question to a cop, how did WE get on a gang list? And more importantly, for those who find themselves on one, how do they get off of it? Have you read anything along these lines? Any actual legal documentation that describes a “Juggalo” and how one can simply no longer be one? What an odd question to have to legally determine, where everyone knew the rules. Otherwise, I claim that Republicans are a gang. I claim that Democrats are a gang. I claim that internet trolls are a gang. I claim that comedians are a gang. I claim that everyone is a gang member who says the pledge of allegiance. I claim that nobody knows an actual fucking definition of Juggalo. It’s not a fan. If it’s not a fan, what is it? This is the deeper philosophical question to the time frame that we find ourselves in. What is a Muslim? What is a black life? If someone is not involved in any criminal activity, or any gang activity, then how the fuck are they in a gang? That’s what the WORLD has to ask itself. Not for me, not for you, not ICP, or Twiztid, but anyone who ever claims something that I used to love. That as an angry, lost child, I found, and it saved the people who did this to me, it saved THEIR lives. That’s an insane concept. I think it’s one that many people face. What the fuck am I lookin at? If I deem it anything less than a human. A lot of music does this, a lot of music act as a mirror to the people who listen to it. The question is, what’s so different about Juggalos? Is it even a word that can be used? (And I don’t come to this page enough to know how to work threads and stuff.) If ICP was like, Why are you people juggalos, what the fuck is point, show me the reason why, could we respond any differently than ICP, The ROC, Esham even? Cuz we don’t stand for shit, that’s our answer. Then, That proves that we aren’t a gang, cuz we don’t even stand for shit. We don’t even act like we give a shit about each other, at the very smallest level, so again… how the fuck is that a gang? Blame the government for something we don’t even know how to explain? That seems just as ignorant. Quote it.

April 23, 2017
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oh my god…another chapter from your book, I’m not gonna read!

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April 23, 2017
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My friend brought me new perspectives that none of you assholes ever brought to my attention.

So, being from an area where juggalos have been on the gang list for almost a decade prior to ICP wanting to do anything about it my friend says, “You know, it sucks that they didn’t decide to do anything until after they started losing money, but regardless of what the intent is it’s still better late than never.” Then he also added “Yeah, of course they are blowing every single thing out of proportion and they are flat out lying, and that does suck, but show me one person out there who doesn’t do that when they are trying to win a court case.” And, “Yeah, I get that it’s far far far far from being the worst atrocity to happen, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t wrong. The march probably won’t do anything and won’t change any perspectives, but it does empower the people to stand against this discrimination rather than let it happen. And that’s why I think it’s important. It shows people that we won’t let this kind of thing stand.”

So I’m convinced of the importance of the march, with out feeding into the bullshit hyperbolic rhetoric. Or even the fact Joe is using it for self promotion.

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April 23, 2017
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more garbage! most people wanna read 2 lines! that’s it! good luck with that read!

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April 23, 2017
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Fuck a crow, I think she married a loon.

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April 23, 2017
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wicket_juan said
more garbage! most people wanna read 2 lines! that’s it! good luck with that read!

when they said they like a lot of lines they weren’t talking about text!

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April 23, 2017
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Well, at least enjoy some humor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAJbJMZ1AEs

April 24, 2017
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King Lucem Ferre said
My friend brought me new perspectives that none of you assholes ever brought to my attention.

So, being from an area where juggalos have been on the gang list for almost a decade prior to ICP wanting to do anything about it my friend says, “You know, it sucks that they didn’t decide to do anything until after they started losing money, but regardless of what the intent is it’s still better late than never.” Then he also added “Yeah, of course they are blowing every single thing out of proportion and they are flat out lying, and that does suck, but show me one person out there who doesn’t do that when they are trying to win a court case.” And, “Yeah, I get that it’s far far far far from being the worst atrocity to happen, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t wrong. The march probably won’t do anything and won’t change any perspectives, but it does empower the people to stand against this discrimination rather than let it happen. And that’s why I think it’s important. It shows people that we won’t let this kind of thing stand.”

So I’m convinced of the importance of the march, with out feeding into the bullshit hyperbolic rhetoric. Or even the fact Joe is using it for self promotion.

I think that might be the realest outlook on the march that I’ve heard thus far.

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April 24, 2017
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I hate juggalo book reports sum it all up with the a quote from the late Artie Lange(I kno he ain’t dead but if this fool post sum long shit again he prolly will be) WAHhhhhhhhhh

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