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Common Misconception: "ICP is for infantile, ignorant white trash..."
August 15, 2014
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I wanted to discuss this little fallacy.  Infantile is defined as “childish”.  Apparently dick and fart jokes are infantile, but if ICP is infantile then so is Family Guy.  But even so, ICP fans are more adult and reasonable than most people give them credit for.  

 

Next: Ignorant.  I don’t know about everyone here and their academic achievements, but I am in college and got on the President’s List two quarters in a row.  The President’s List is held to an even higher GPA standard than the Dean’s List, so there goes that little fallacy.

 

And lastly, white trash, which is defined as “poor white people”… Pretty sure, last time I checked anyways, that merch and Gatherings are pretty expensive.  Ie, jerseys and other gear.

 

So now that I’ve dispelled that little ignorant argument, maybe haters will move onto some other argument that is slightly less stupid.  And I dunno how fans of Tyler the Creator/OFWGKTA, Lil Wayne, Jay Z, Dr Dre or Eminem are any better than ICP fans.

 

Anyways, what do you guys think?  And I mean more than “who cares what people think”. lol

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August 15, 2014
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Odd future and Tyler got big the same way ICP did, and they are making money the same way. Except they made their clothes an actual fashion brand so they are making more money.

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piggofdoom said
Odd future and Tyler got big the same way ICP did, and they are making money the same way. Except they made their clothes an actual fashion brand so they are making more money.

Which is sad, because I’m not exactly sure if Tyler knows what the hell “flow” even means, because he certainly doesn’t have it in any of the stuff I’ve heard from him.  In fact, his only ‘ability’ was being vulgar and obscene, which is pretty old at this point.

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August 15, 2014
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I’ve talked with the most intelligent human beings iive met on this forum. Easy. There’s about six or more folks here that have impressed me beyond belief numerous fuckin times. Myself am a college grad, all hitting the President’s List and Dean’s List several semesters. Only one I got neither, due to a so-so Biology final. I’ve been called a genius by more than a handful of people, and while I don’t agree, its one of the most flattering adjectives next to “fuck monster” (got that one once too lol).. but yeah, Juggalos are a unique bunch. 

August 15, 2014
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Old Mr Dangerous said
I’ve talked with the most intelligent human beings iive met on this forum. Easy. There’s about six or more folks here that have impressed me beyond belief numerous fuckin times. Myself am a college grad, all hitting the President’s List and Dean’s List several semesters. Only one I got neither, due to a so-so Biology final. I’ve been called a genius by more than a handful of people, and while I don’t agree, its one of the most flattering adjectives next to “fuck monster” (got that one once too lol).. but yeah, Juggalos are a unique bunch. 

Good to hear bro.  Also, fuck biology lol.

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August 15, 2014
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i dont place a lot of stock in academic achievement.  certainly, i dont think its an indicator of lack of ignorance.  if anything, it shows what kind of ignorance one is infused with.  

no question, though, at least half the juggalos i pal around with could chop it up with the nerdiest nerds, the sagest wisemen, and anyone from whatever race or culture you wanna name, without any hiccups at all.  

  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

August 15, 2014
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scruffy said
i dont place a lot of stock in academic achievement.  certainly, i dont think its an indicator of lack of ignorance.  if anything, it shows what kind of ignorance one is infused with.  

no question, though, at least half the juggalos i pal around with could chop it up with the nerdiest nerds, the sagest wisemen, and anyone from whatever race or culture you wanna name, without any hiccups at all.  

  

You might not, but most careers do.

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August 15, 2014
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Id compare ICP to south park more than family guy. Both are highly offensive and juvenile at times, but have a good moral backbone embedded inside of it that the casual viewer/listener isnt going to pick up on at first. South park basically raised me as fucked up as that sounds

August 15, 2014
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Slumerican(Just A Realist)502 said
Id compare ICP to south park more than family guy. Both are highly offensive and juvenile at times, but have a good moral backbone embedded inside of it that the casual viewer/listener isnt going to pick up on at first. South park basically raised me as fucked up as that sounds

I feel you. South Park, while I don’t agree with all their views (I wouldn’t want to), are the smartest show out there for years. Not just cleverness; really thought-provoking. You have to look beyond the bathroom humor to see what they’re about. Its not that hard really… like ICP , “we snuck it in subliminally with that wicked shit around em”

August 15, 2014
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Exactly. I wouldnt say i agree with all their views but the vast majority. Greatest show of all time.

August 15, 2014
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scruffy said
i dont place a lot of stock in academic achievement.  certainly, i dont think its an indicator of lack of ignorance.  if anything, it shows what kind of ignorance one is infused with.  

no question, though, at least half the juggalos i pal around with could chop it up with the nerdiest nerds, the sagest wisemen, and anyone from whatever race or culture you wanna name, without any hiccups at all.  

  

All my degree means to me is that I had the endurance ability to focus needed to get something I wanted to do, but did not come naturally.  With the exception of some Excel Macros, Motivation theory, and some Marketing jib jab I use very little of my prestigious Bachelors of Science in Business Management.  I do use the endurance and ability to focus on things that don’t come naturally every fucking day though…

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August 15, 2014
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MetalHorrorGuitarWhat said

scruffy said
i dont place a lot of stock in academic achievement.  certainly, i dont think its an indicator of lack of ignorance.  if anything, it shows what kind of ignorance one is infused with.  

no question, though, at least half the juggalos i pal around with could chop it up with the nerdiest nerds, the sagest wisemen, and anyone from whatever race or culture you wanna name, without any hiccups at all.  

  

You might not, but most careers do.

Bachelors degrees are the new Associates degrees and Masters degrees are the new Bachelors shun…know about it.  My Bachelors did make about a 12k difference in my start pay as a manager at my company….but 10 years working there woulda been equivalent honestly could have  been negotiated if I had needed to. Basically no degree off the street with some experience (1-2) years you take home about 38.  I started about 55k but 5k was my 10 years of tenure with the company and the other 50 was because of my degree. No degree and 10 years I guess woulda been 42k actually i just corrected myself as I thought about it disregard that stuff up there about negotiating.  Im extremely open about my salary because i earned the fuck outta it…I got hired 10 years ago at 8 bucks an hour.  The rest I made for myself.

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August 15, 2014
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Slumerican(Just A Realist)502 said
 Greatest show of all time.

Have you watched THE WIRE? #1 tv show of all time for a lot of peeps,myself included.

August 16, 2014
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I like Tyler The Creator.

 

And a lot of people would say that ICP has no flow.

August 16, 2014
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Lucem (Just An Asshole) Ferre said
I like Tyler The Creator.

 

And a lot of people would say that ICP has no flow.

Shaggy most certainly does, even if he does seem to be more of a hype man, since J takes the majority of the verses/choruses, etc.

 

And I dunno, but J sure seems to have a pretty good flow here.

 

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August 16, 2014
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White trash is a lot more than poor white person. It’s deeper than that. White trash is morbidly obese, 5 kids, spendin all 500 bucks a month they got on EBT at gas stations (fountain sodas, little debbies, and hot pockets are their primary prey), being that family at the trailer park (domestic disturbances every tuesday), sweat pants everyday wardrobe, etc. I’m a poor white person, i’m not white trash. As far as ignorant goes, shit everyone on this earth is ignorant of somethin, willful ignorance is more on point and even then as @scruffy stated you can have a PhD and be an ignorant motherfucker. And poor people blow their limited income in shit they don’t need all the time, it’s how I keep myself poor anyway. 3 monsters a day and I smoke, and I buy new psy releases, and i play warhammer (that game is expensive as fuck to get into). All in all though, love where your heart is at.

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LTB said
White trash is a lot more than poor white person. It’s deeper than that. White trash is morbidly obese, 5 kids, spendin all 500 bucks a month they got on EBT at gas stations (fountain sodas, little debbies, and hot pockets are their primary prey), being that family at the trailer park (domestic disturbances every tuesday), sweat pants everyday wardrobe, etc. I’m a poor white person, i’m not white trash. As far as ignorant goes, shit everyone on this earth is ignorant of somethin, willful ignorance is more on point and even then as @scruffy stated you can have a PhD and be an ignorant motherfucker. And poor people blow their limited income in shit they don’t need all the time, it’s how I keep myself poor anyway. 3 monsters a day and I smoke, and I buy new psy releases, and i play warhammer (that game is expensive as fuck to get into). All in all though, love where your heart is at.

I was just going by what the definition on Google said.  I understand that white trash is way more complicated than just “poor white person”, but even so, most Juggalos aren’t poor; it’d be hard to be a poor Juggalo considering the amount of money it’d cost for the amount of merch some people have.

I guess I should’ve said stupid, but even that doesn’t really capture the level of dumb that some people seem to think about juggalos.

As for the bit about “blow their limited income on shit they don’t need”, hell… if you’re gonna be a poor broke motherfucker, you might as well enjoy the little bit of money you can spend.  Otherwise death might seem like a more enjoyable existence.

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August 16, 2014
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i wouldn’t call myself “white trash”, defiantly a redneck and a little “under-educated” if you look at it from an academic standpoint.  but what i don’t have in book smarts and degrees i believe i make up for in experience and skills. at 21 i can effectively build a house from the ground up (the plumbing may be a little shoddy tho XD), and i can lay out one of the nicest landscape jobs in the neighborhood. i just never took too much stock in book learning, taking/paying for classes that don’t mean anything about what your studying, never seemed to be the smartest idea to me. and i couldn’t tell you how many times i’ve ran into someone who has a degree in something goes out into “the field” and has all these great ideas but doesn’t have the experience to know what actually works in the world and what only looks good on paper.

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So also at least here in Texas there’s a decent Hispanic demographic there. Unnoticed with facepaint of course” WE’RE ALL WHITE LIKE J and SHAGGS!”

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I don’t believe education is a measure of intelligence. I state intelligence as a measure of enthusiasm about a topic. Someone enthusiastic about something will always know more about it intimately than someone who has only read about it in a text book. A person with a PhD in astrophysics may have no clue how to build a house. I would have @stretchsquiggles build my house before an astrophysicist. He has built houses and has experience.

Higher education degrees do have a purpose. They do show a level of perseverance to finish something through to the end. It is not the only way of measuring perseverance. In some fields I don’t think it is absolutely necessary but in some cases I wouldn’t want a non-degree holding person doing the job. Doctors and structural engineers come to mind.

I do not have a degree in any IT field. But I have been a senior programmer for over 15 years. My current boss hired me based on my experience, knowledge and past employer recommendations. He didn’t care whether I had a degree or not.

Ok, Back to the topic. I do agree that the media reinforced stereotype of Juggalos seems to show us as “infantile, ignorant white trash.” All of us on the inside of it know that the stereotype is inaccurate. It may fit a subsection of Juggalos, but can’t you take any large group of people and find the definition fitting some in that group? It’s hard to get past a media stereotype because they generally want to show the sensational aspects, not the whole picture. Documentarians with the intent of preserving the real history in an objective and unbiased way are better at showing real Juggalos. Those stories show that we come from all backgrounds and walks of life. Every profession, race, educational level, and mentality are represented.

 

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