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September 12, 2017
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I know my white brothers and sisters get tired of u know hearing the same shit over and over again. 

Like "if he was black he would be dead" or "its because im black" 

Or any of this. Like ur annoyed and tired of hearing it...

But being tired of hearing it doesn't make it go away. And imagine how "annoyed" the people actually going through it feel?

Speaking up on rising white supremacy is not wrong.

Doing nothing is wrong.

also i know its easy to read mr.dangerous post and use that as an excuse to discredit the argument that white supremacy is wrong and should be denounced, instead of not acknowledging it and trying discredit any opposition. But we all know hes doing his own thing and not really on any diplomatic stance.

Again if ur white and u see that video and ur mind gos thinking about how P.O.C. do the same, u have misplaced pride.  

Not sure exactly what you mean, but I will attempt by saying that my stance shouldn't even have to be mentioned. Her needless propaganda post was placed right after a video of UNSPEAKABLE fucking awfulness. I doubt she even watched the original video, and if she did and then STILL posted that nonsense, unrelated rebuttal, then she is EVEN WORSE.

I went straight for the attack, since I didn't even feel the need to announce the obvious; that Krunk is completely out of line with her approach. 

Once again, watching that brought up some personal strife. My brother was run down in North Carolina in a planned hit by the local police and some guy they hired. There is no way for me to fight this. So this is why I take it personally. 

Southern cops. Racism. Vehicular manslaughter with intent. No help. Sounds too familiar to me.

Then this wench posts that horseshit. Fuck outta here.

No more needs to be said, it'll just be more insults to them from me. If they can't swallow their pride this time and admit moral fault, then they are truly not the same species as me.

 

Fucking Footnote: if you're accusing me of avoidance to the content at hand, then what the fuck, Shaman? If me immediately attacking the posted video by the Nazi-supporter Krunk isn't enough to clear up what side I'm on, then fuck maybe the world is more misunderstanding than I perceived. 

September 12, 2017
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Psyral when u say u dont see my color u say u dont see me or my plight as an American

I am brown. Im a bunch of the things. I dont have to loose my identity and individuality because people cant handle it.

Handle it.

Being brown in this country means certain things have been done to me and the country treats me a certain way. Its a fact. I can send u a long pm. listing things.

Fascist want u to loose ur identity. 

Again nothing wrong with me being brown/native/ mexican/ American/ juggalo/punk/ what the fuck ever. Thats not the problem.  People wanting to harm me or show superiority is the problem.

I didn't create the obsession with my skin, i inherited it. 

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September 12, 2017
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Old Mr Dangerous said

bayAreaShaman said
I know my white brothers and sisters get tired of u know hearing the same shit over and over again. 

Like "if he was black he would be dead" or "its because im black" 

Or any of this. Like ur annoyed and tired of hearing it...

But being tired of hearing it doesn't make it go away. And imagine how "annoyed" the people actually going through it feel?

Speaking up on rising white supremacy is not wrong.

Doing nothing is wrong.

also i know its easy to read mr.dangerous post and use that as an excuse to discredit the argument that white supremacy is wrong and should be denounced, instead of not acknowledging it and trying discredit any opposition. But we all know hes doing his own thing and not really on any diplomatic stance.

Again if ur white and u see that video and ur mind gos thinking about how P.O.C. do the same, u have misplaced pride.  

Not sure exactly what you mean, but I will attempt by saying that my stance shouldn't even have to be mentioned. Her needless propaganda post was placed right after a video of UNSPEAKABLE fucking awfulness. I doubt she even watched the original video, and if she did and then STILL posted that nonsense, unrelated rebuttal, then she is EVEN WORSE.

I went straight for the attack, since I didn't even feel the need to announce the obvious; that Krunk is completely out of line with her approach. 

Once again, watching that brought up some personal strife. My brother was run down in North Carolina in a planned hit by the local police and some guy they hired. There is no way for me to fight this. So this is why I take it personally. 

Southern cops. Racism. Vehicular manslaughter with intent. No help. Sounds too familiar to me.

Then this wench posts that horseshit. Fuck outta here.

No more needs to be said, it'll just be more insults to them from me. If they can't swallow their pride this time and admit moral fault, then they are truly not the same species as me.

 

Fucking Footnote: if you're accusing me of avoidance to the content at hand, then what the fuck, Shaman? If me immediately attacking the posted video by the Nazi-supporter Krunk isn't enough to clear up what side I'm on, then fuck maybe the world is more misunderstanding than I perceived.   

What i was saying my friend was that u didn't say all that trying to be diplomatic and like "professional" or something. Like that wasnt OMD getting ready for debate club. It was you being you.

I understand it and dontbhold it against you.

Part of the reason why i dont proof read my shit is cuz i dontvwant to follow a verbal schematic to be taken serious. What u posted there should be taken into consideration cuz its obvious window into ur insides. This shit is painful and its ok. 

I dont need u to be perfect.

I understand. 

What i also ment tk say was ppl can look for shit like what u posted to discredit the whole argument. 

I dont think ur wrong for saying it. But i also dont think it helped much. 

I know ur hearts in the right place. At least u have the balls not to hide it like our nazi supporting source posting forum member.

OMD u ever listen to Malcolm X speaches? Hes the man. Always said what he felt and Never let them fuck with him.

I get it fooooooo. Its all gravy baby.

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September 12, 2017
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Fuck white supremacy. I was born and raised in North Carolina and always had to hear about this shit. That being said, I love this place and theirs lots of good people of all nationalities here. Its funny tho. Ive done a whole lotta traveling and when I tell folks where im from they automatically assume certain things.  Im not stupid. I know my homestate has done a lotta fuck shit, but that don't mean I support said fuck shit. Also on a side note, I currently live in Vermont and while ive been here ive seen Confederate Flags, Prro Trump signs and even heard the N-word.

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scruffy said
yall wanna, maybe, chill the fuck out, a lil bit, maybe?  

jus sayin.    

Maybe a new section for whooping socialist circle jerks is in order?

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September 12, 2017
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Instead of copying and pasting I'll just start a clean response, lol.

Yeah I get what you're getting at. I don't care, though. I act on emotions and simultaneously always consider the consequences to determine if it is worth it. In thus case, I still feel my berating the bitch in question was fully worth it.

This internet thing, boy, lol... it's a trip. People saying things they wouldn't in person and such. I am trying to work on one thing in real life, with my coworkers especially, that I have to accept that my high expectations of other people will not always be met. In extreme cases, like Krunk as a racist who will never admit to themselves that they are, I see a black and white dilemma. In reality I would pummel someone like that for saying those things. Or supporting white nationalists. I haven't hurt someone in like ten years, because I went to jail for beating an attempted car jacker with a tire iron. Life isn't fair to even the ones defending themselves. I'm ranting at this point, as is my stream of consciousness style, so here's the deal: other than my dick, I'm not perfect. But I do like to crush the skulls of bad people.

You guys are more part of my life than y'all know. My goal currently, well one of them, is to lose eno ugh weight to fit into that dope Wizard of the Hood Gathering shirt y'all brought me. I'm down 7 lbs currently. 

I knew this dude named Louis who had a swastika tatted on his forehead. Eventually he met a girl that helped him see the error and he had it lasered out. 

If Louis can change, maybe these fucks can too.

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For some of us Juggalo isn't hardline victimhood with a floorshow.

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September 12, 2017
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For some of us Juggalo isn't hardline victimhood with a floorshow.

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So THAT'S the prostate finger of choice. I dig the cosplay, too. Reminds me of my wife and I when we cosplay Hitler and Eva Braun.

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For some of us Juggalo isn't hardline victimhood with a floorshow.

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And yet you think a black guy saying he wants to burn down his city is a personal attack against you on level with literal actual murder.

Shut all the fuck up.

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If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter

September 12, 2017
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To me, the OP video is horrible.

Yep. Your fellow nationalists at work. Think about that.

All violence against another person is horrible. "white" anything is horrible, as is "black" anything, as is anything that pushes a distinction or separation between people based on "race" or shade of skin.

This is straight ignorant and part of the problem that is racism. Black people had their histories stolen from them. They don't even know who their people were before slavery and colonialism. Saying black power is a reclaiming of that lost history and taking it back. Rejecting the story of black weakness. Rejecting the despair and victim narratives. Saying white power is saying that you think black people are inferior and infectious and that you don't want them around / alive. If you can not see the difference it's because you don't want to and because you're racist.

I am a nationalist. Not any color nationalist ... just an American nationalist.

And what does that mean? That immigration is bad? That our tax dollars shouldnt go to helping rebuild the countries you wanted us to invade 16 years ago? That in the wake of horrible hurricanes, Caribbean islands can eat a dick? Do you include Puerto Rico in your "America" or are you like other nationalists who leave it out?

Some have called me a populist. My boss thinks I am a libertarian populist from the conversations he and I have had. Just labels. I am an American (a label too) and I do realize it is also a distinction and separation based on national borders.

I will eventually drop the label and my nationalistic stance once the citizens of this country are taken care of. America first and all. After that, then we can start expanding our policies outside the borders.

No you won't. You'll never be satisfied that "America" is taken care of first. Like these anti DACA assholes who say bullshit about homeless vets should get welfare before DACA recipients but fail to realize daca recipients are in the military too and can't get welfare

I got off track ... Video shows horrible stuff. The people doing it are horrible and misguided.

Agreed. Their entire political view is misguided.

Anyone who uses their "race" or anothers to push superiority or inferiority is also misguided. As I have mentioned before, I think the only way to end racism is to stop using racial distinctions in all forms. A hard thing to do when the topic has racial references. I know there are many arguments against that but that is how I have chosen to live my life.  

Blah blah blah. 

Why does everybody have to conform to your setting to be treated like people? "If they didn't talk about their problems because of race then i wouldn't have to think about race and the problem would be solved." Nah sucka.

Race was created by white people to justify slavery and imperialism in order to aid the spread of capitalism and nationalism. These things can't be disconnected. 

You want to end racism? Don't end blackness, end whiteness. 

If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter

September 12, 2017
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Also it's one thing to say America First but another to vote for a guy who STILL hasn't even bothered to appoint people to positions that help our government run.

Or who wants to kick millions of Americans off their health insurance plans.

Or wants to cut FEMAs budget 

Or who cuts building regulations which were put in place to protect Americans from extreme weather events

Or who wants to sell off national parks

Or who wants to honor treasonists with statues

Or who pardons racists who break the law and harms American citizens in the process

Or who works with foreign governments to disrupt our elections and politically integrity

If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter

September 12, 2017
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krunkazphuk said
For some of us Juggalo isn't hardline victimhood with a floorshow.

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As u for some reason forget there is a difference between being a victim of something and surviving something. 

Being a victim of a crime is what it is. Being victim of a crime. Done

And saying racism exist doesn't mean u oive a life of "victimhood"

Grasping at straws my friend.

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September 12, 2017
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Look I feel where y'all coming from and all..but really we need to end whiteness? If I feel u on the poc end then u I need to feel me here, that's fucking  stupid 

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ALL LIVES MATTER. Race-bait all u want, but it's a losing battle that scruffy doesn't even seem to try to spin for your butthurt clique anymore. All hail Afro Spider-Man!

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Chuckieboy said
Look I feel where y'all coming from and all..but really we need to end whiteness? If I feel u on the poc end then u I need to feel me here, that's fucking  stupid   

I kinda have no idea what ur talking about.

Who is trying to end whiteness?

U know one day there will be no white ppl right?

Do u feel threaten as a white man for ppl standing up for the wrong doing of others?

What arw u talking about.

"feel me on the poc end" what do u feel chuck? 

No one is going to take ur whiteness away. Just ur ignorance, false sense of a threat and feelings of superiority.

Like i said if u have i guess pride in being white talk to ur brothers and put ur pride away so u can handle the issues that have been plaguing ur culture in this country for hundreds of years.

If u feel aome sort of "yall always fuckin with us." Ur going backwords. Set the example maybe

If i assumed anything my apologies.

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krunkazphuk said
ALL LIVES MATTER. Race-bait all u want, but it's a losing battle that scruffy doesn't even seem to try to spin for your butthurt clique anymore. All hail Afro Spider-Man!

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Racism is real and wrong. And u contribute to it with ur own bait u know the simple minded will fallow. I care more about the human race then to just mislead it. I dont want robots i can program i want them to grow and do it on they own. Like a real team. 

All lives matter and using terms like race bait is basically just terms and bait u learned to get some sort of reaction.

Again when u say all lives matter i direct opposition to say blavk lives matter, what ur trying to say is shut up racism doesn't exist. 

Basically ur a child putting ue fingers in ur ears going "LA LA LA LA".

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anyone defending nazi's or confederates are worthless human beings and should be lined up and shot. If all lives matter then black lives matter. The reason that statement exists is the fact that at one time, not that long ago black lives DID NOT matter. Open up your fucking eyes and realize monorities are the fucking minority. being a "white" American you will never understand true discrimination and hatred for being born a certain race. You know what? fuck every last piece of shit person marching with a torch, waving the rebel flag, or saluting Hitler's dead bitchass. Anyone believing whites are being replaced or thinking white culture is a real thing and needs to be preserved is the epitome of stupid. I wish someone unloaded an automatic into that fucking crowd of bigots. 

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Noah said if u want to end racism don't end blackness, end whiteness. U got me fucked up or something.And fuck yea I'm proud to be white, if I were brown I'd be proud to be brown, same if I were black. And as far as what do I feel? I feel for anyone who's treated differently over any difference, idgaf  who it is. And lmao at the whole insinuating I'm racist for responding to a dumbass comment. How would u feel if i said we needd to end brownness? Shits crazy, y'all just try to look for something to "argue" about

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bayAreaShaman said

Chuckieboy said
Look I feel where y'all coming from and all..but really we need to end whiteness? If I feel u on the poc end then u I need to feel me here, that's fucking  stupid   

I kinda have no idea what ur talking about.

Who is trying to end whiteness?

He's responding to my comment about how to end racism. I did say end whiteness.

Chuckieboy said
Look I feel where y'all coming from and all..but really we need to end whiteness? If I feel u on the poc end then u I need to feel me here, that's fucking  stupid   

Whiteness is an idea that's passed down from generation to generation. It's not a real thing. Whiteness was created by people who didn't understand science who thought that black people and other POC were an inferior sub species of human. Wanting to defend a bad idea is why we have assholes like krunk saying "all lives matter" when they don't really mean that, as demonstrated in another thread where they were quick to exclude prisoners from "all" which made it substantially less than all.

Basically, whiteness was a mistake that people latched onto. The early birds to the White party used cultural biases and created a system called Racism which put different people below white people in a social hierarchy based on arbitrary traits. 

What is black? Is it just someone who is of a certain skin tone? What about albino africans? Is it genetic? Then how can I, a white latino, have black cousins? Or why could I, as a white latino, date a black woman who was lighter skinned than I was at the time?

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These two kids are siblings. With the same parents. 

While race impacts peoples lives directly as POC, white people have a social obligation to undo their thinking of whiteness as an established fact. It isn't. Your whiteness can be taken away from you.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/20/.....e-6865432/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

And people can even try to force it on you

http://www.snopes.com/2015/08/.....haun-king/

Interestingly enough, while I was trying to find a different piece about whiteness as a social construct, I found this one:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/c.....are-white/

which talks about a minister of my faith so I'm sharing this one instead lol.

This is also interesting: http://www.bet.com/music/2017/.....tions.html

 

The thing about race is that because it's made up, it only exists in the perceptions of OTHER people. It's a reading. So when white people are all out and proud about their whiteness, what they're really saying is 'I'm not black"

Or as Ta-Nehisi Coates quotes Nell Painter in this AMAZING piece about race and donald trump, white means "I'm not a nigger".

 “Race is an idea, not a fact,” the historian Nell Irvin Painter has written, and essential to the construct of a “white race” is the idea of not being a nigger. Before Barack Obama, niggers could be manufactured out of Sister Souljahs, Willie Hortons, and Dusky Sallys. But Donald Trump arrived in the wake of something more potent—an entire nigger presidency with nigger health care, nigger climate accords, and nigger justice reform, all of which could be targeted for destruction or redemption, thus reifying the idea of being white. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/10/the-first-white-president-ta-nehisi-coates/537909/

So yeah, we need to end whiteness. End this wrong headed idea that white people are inherently a group of people separate from all other forms of human kind, and end this idea that whiteness is valuable or sacred. End the idea that whiteness exists, without ignoring the plight that other people have had to face because of their exclusion. Own that it was European men who were wrong about race who created and instilled racism which to this day has had disastrous consequences on people who were excluded from that club.

oh, and in that video I posted up thread how it talks about how latinos were changed from white to not white to white and back and forth. That literally has happened to my family. Interestingly enough, my family actually has been in the southern california area long enough that I have ancestors who were porn in the same building, only a few years apart, with the same parentage, who enjoyed different legal statuses and citizenship, because of perceived racial differences. 

If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter

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Chuckieboy said
Noah said if u want to end racism don't end blackness, end whiteness. U got me fucked up or something.And fuck yea I'm proud to be white, if I were brown I'd be proud to be brown, same if I were black. And as far as what do I feel? I feel for anyone who's treated differently over any difference, idgaf  who it is. And lmao at the whole insinuating I'm racist for responding to a dumbass comment. How would u feel if i said we needd to end brownness? Shits crazy, y'all just try to look for something to "argue" about  

Im pretty sure i dont got u fucked up.

Ur reaction to all this was "was wait..END WHITE PPL!?!?". 

I can see where u feelings is at

Right now no one is attacking u as a whitr man. If u don't want to think deeper and put pride away then go for it.

And id ur really that proud of being white put ur pride aside and talk to ur brother.

Tbe fact ur outraged at that and not the nazis is enough.

The fact ur mind and heart went to defened ur skin color means ull rather stand by to what ever ur race does just so u stand by ur race.

We all know racism exist everywhere. But thats not what we are talking about. We are talking about white supremacy. I know it feels uncomfortable to see ur race doing these things. 

But if it aint u do something about. 

Give ur race something to be proud of.

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