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Hey @Pigg 

a few years ago I "believed" things like PBS News Hour when they broadcast President Jimmy Carter's views on campus rape culture. I also "believed" in a gender wage gap. Thankfully, the new media snapped me out of it with critical analysis by teachers like Christina Hoff Sommers

YouTube Video Rape culture panic is not the answer | FACTUAL FEMINIST 

and PragerU 

YouTube Video There Is No Gender Wage Gap 

Belief in an idea is dogma (circular cult logic.) I'd rather expand my capacity to critically process relevant information, whether it contradicts my world view or not. Keeps things from getting stale.

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Lucem, I doubt Pigg is trying to "convert" Psy or Krunk. He is sharing ideas and proposing questions on an open forum. That's what forums are all about. Sharing information and ideas, not winning arguments or converting other posters. He is challenging ideas and propaganda that some of the lurkers here probably encounter and likely influencing all kinds of minds. That's why I say fight. Ftr, sterotyping "trump supporters" is a bit short sighted and just encourages a divide.  It's too easy to complain and just give up, don't be that guy. 

Krunk that is a good point about belief. I rarely agree with you but there is so much truth in that. 

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Lucem, I doubt Pigg is trying to "convert" Psy or Krunk. He is sharing ideas and proposing questions on an open forum. That's what forums are all about. Sharing information and ideas, not winning arguments or converting other posters. He is challenging ideas and propaganda that some of the lurkers here probably encounter and likely influencing all kinds of minds. That's why I say fight. Ftr, sterotyping "trump supporters" is a bit short sighted and just encourages a divide.  It's too easy to complain and just give up, don't be that guy. 

Krunk that is a good point about belief. I rarely agree with you but there is so much truth in that.   

@lucem-ferre 

Yeah! Golly Gee Whiz!

"Guest" is sure making a lot of sense! I really think you are involving yourself in a conversation between people you don't know anything about around here.

I mean, c'mon @lucem-ferre , if you knew better... you'd know that Psyral and Krunk need all the help they can get when it comes being able to defend themselves...

"Back off, man! Just... Back OFF!"

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@guest 

Ya know, you don't HAVE TO create a post in EVERY thread I post to myself... but when you do...

ya sound like a corporate instructional Human Resources video on how NOT to sound like a NARC...

These ninjas are talking on a level you can only MISSPELL... gtfoh

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I have used this as my DJ intro several times (sans the end) and all we need is some AI and this sounds like a prophecy tuh me!

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@cheshyr said 

... I mean, c'mon @lucem-ferre , if you knew better... you'd know that Psyral and Krunk need all the help they can get when it comes being able to defend themselves...

"Back off, man! Just... Back OFF!" ...

Yeah, @lucem-ferre "Back off, man! Just... Back OFF!".

And "you'd know that Psyral and Krunk need all the help they can get when it comes being able to defend themselves" ... Wait ... what?

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Lucem, I doubt Pigg is trying to "convert" Psy or Krunk. He is sharing ideas and proposing questions on an open forum. That's what forums are all about. Sharing information and ideas, not winning arguments or converting other posters. He is challenging ideas and propaganda that some of the lurkers here probably encounter and likely influencing all kinds of minds. That's why I say fight. Ftr, sterotyping "trump supporters" is a bit short sighted and just encourages a divide.  It's too easy to complain and just give up, don't be that guy. 

Krunk that is a good point about belief. I rarely agree with you but there is so much truth in that.   

Except that I've actually discussed things with them. Even Global Warming. Even defended them when Noah called them bigots. Realized they are just literally full of shit and themselves. Psyral flat out admit to watching Fox News because the bias makes him feel better and information contradicting his view points make him feel shitty. Pigg asked a simple question, and as usual Krunk went into attack mode insulting him. So who's perpetuating the divide? Plus, I think Hillary supporters are just as fucking stupid. I think a lot of the retarded PC shit Noah says is fucking stupid. People are just fucking stupid and most won't ever swallow their pride and admit when they are wrong. Especially these two. It's talking around in circles and I dare anybody who's actually been convinced of anything that has happened in these 'debates' to change their political stance to come forth.

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King Lucem Ferre said

Except that I've actually discussed things with them. Even Global Warming. Even defended them when Noah called them bigots. Realized they are just literally full of shit and themselves. Psyral flat out admit to watching Fox News because the bias makes him feel better and information contradicting his view points make him feel shitty. Pigg asked a simple question, and as usual Krunk went into attack mode insulting him. So who's perpetuating the divide? Plus, I think Hillary supporters are just as fucking stupid. I think a lot of the retarded PC shit Noah says is fucking stupid. People are just fucking stupid and most won't ever swallow their pride and admit when they are wrong. Especially these two. It's talking around in circles and I dare anybody who's actually been convinced of anything that has happened in these 'debates' to change their political stance to come forth.  

I remember that what he said about hating having his opinions questioned, especially by facts.

"Me no like... brain hurts... HURTS!... me mad... change channel.. bias reinforced... ahh.... endorphins... "

That's why I hate them: being intelligent while still admitting to using it for their own personal boost despite facts. These kind of people ARE Donald Trumps incarnate. They know they're wrong, but they do it anyway. Reminds me of how a pedophile would justify their abuse on a child: "well the little boy shouldn't have dressed so damn cute today, he should know better than to bend over on the swingset, too. I probably helped him learn quite a bit about his body and life skills, yeah, that's it."

It's wrong to molest anyone, you.

"No no no, don't start in with that Marxist, PC libtard bullshit! You're even worse because you support Planned Parenthood"

And so on.

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Lucem I agree with you on a lot of those points and can understand you frustration. Still, being over-it is kind of on you. If you don't see any need for discussion you can always just check out of the thread and go read something that interests you. This forum is bigger than you, Psyral or even the total sum of all members. This particular issue certainly is too. Discouraging discussion based on personal grudges is borderline retarded. You get my point. 

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King Lucem Ferre said
...I dare anybody who's actually been convinced of anything that has happened in these 'debates' to change their political stance to come forth.  

I think Slumerican already has come forward in another thread:

Slumerican502 said
I voted for Trump.  

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June 30, 2017
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Lucem I agree with you on a lot of those points and can understand you frustration. Still, being over-it is kind of on you. If you don't see any need for discussion you can always just check out of the thread and go read something that interests you. This forum is bigger than you, Psyral or even the total sum of all members. This particular issue certainly is too. Discouraging discussion based on personal grudges is borderline retarded. You get my point.   

Jeebus Xist...

You really are dumb as a bag of rocks, ain't ya?

 

See, "Ladies & Gentleman Of The Forum"...?

As we can observe here... this is what happens when someone comes here to talk AT us and not TO us...

 

Now, the REST OF "US" (however different our views) are much more "familiar" with each other around here, but as you can see...

when you spend your time HOUND DOGGING and "squat trolling" a forum as if it were your own all-in-one personal FB, Insta, Twit, Tumblr account...

Yer gonna look like a complete fucking moron when you try to jump into conversations involving individuals with histories YOU CHOSE NOT TO READ... and as a result just end up looking that much STUPIDER! (which isn't even a real word!).

Pro-Tip: if you choose to get involved in other people's Reindeer Games, than it would "behoove" you to KNOW who's playing the game, their capabilities and what level they're playing on... BEFORE you pretend to support a viewpoint you know nothing about between people you know even less about... because you refuse to read words.

but "JUGGALO"... m'ai'right?! Bitch?

 

Gettin' all esoteric an' referential n'shit...

"Not Everyone That Shits On You Is Your Enemy

and Not Everyone That Helps You Out Of Shit Is Your Friend...

and Sometimes, It's Just Best To Keep Your Fucking Mouth Shut".

Tweet Tweet, you fuckin' twat.

 

Don't be talkin' to fuckin' @lucem-ferre or @psyral-infection or @krunkazphuk or @piggofdoom or @noah-fence or EVEN fuckin' bitch-ass @miklo-velka ... like you got POINTS around here!

While you've spent your time here talking AT us, trying to reclaim some "old glory", we've been talking TO each other! We may not LIKE what we've had to say but we sure as fuck KNOW each other better than we know YOUR BITCH ASS...

FYI... that means Miklo's put in more around here to talk shit to the rest of us than YOU.

 

You ain't SHIT. You ain't about SHIT. And no matter how much "Hound Dog News" you got to report... You ain't got shit comin'!

I may not agree with some of the motherfuckers I talk to around here at any given moment... but we've been TALKING TO EACH OTHER for YEARS now... and some of us don't need to "put on a show" for poseurs like YOU by repeating shit we all know about EACH OTHER long before your dumb-ass showed up.

 

Keep dodging, bitch.

All you gotta do is make "that speech"...

 

Pssst... We "see you" muthafucker...

Yer like... um... what would be funny...? Umm...

Yer like the guy that shows up at the orgy and thinks he's the first one that ever thought of putting cocaine on his dick...

We're already fuckin' with each other and you think you got something "NEW" to make us wanna fuck with you because you dropped your keys in the bowl... [??? does that work ???]

 

At any rate, the fact that you would try to chide Lucem without knowing anything about anyone else in the thread... is just evidence as to how you've spent your time "amongst us" this past year after you CHOSE to suddenly start posting every hour on the hour and how you seem to think everyone else regards each other around here.

I don't like a whole hell of a lot that some of these people have to say, but I KNOW them well enough to say for myself... they aren't stupid enough to NEED your assistance, nor do the people talking shit to them need your "support". We were all doing QUITE well before you "showed up"...

You suck at this, btw.

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Lucem I agree with you on a lot of those points and can understand you frustration. Still, being over-it is kind of on you. If you don't see any need for discussion you can always just check out of the thread and go read something that interests you. This forum is bigger than you, Psyral or even the total sum of all members. This particular issue certainly is too. Discouraging discussion based on personal grudges is borderline retarded. You get my point.   

I'm not discouraging discussion. I'm warning a friend that he's wasting time. Not over personal grudges, over the stubborn arrogance of these two.

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Old Mr Dangerous said

I remember that what he said about hating having his opinions questioned, especially by facts.

"Me no like... brain hurts... HURTS!... me mad... change channel.. bias reinforced... ahh.... endorphins... "

That's why I hate them: being intelligent while still admitting to using it for their own personal boost despite facts. These kind of people ARE Donald Trumps incarnate. They know they're wrong, but they do it anyway. ...

I dislike CNN because of their bias, not their facts. I like Fox because of their bias, not their facts. In fact, my favorite show, Hannity, is not a journalistic show. Even Hannity himself has said he is not and never was as journalist on Fox, but an opinion talk show. I would never use my Fox shows as facts. I definitely won't use CNN for facts either, especially after the recent hidden camera info that has come out about CNN and the "Trump/Russia" stuff.

When relaxing and watching opinion shows, I would rather watch things that coincide with my opinions. If I want facts, it won't come from any TV show.

When I know I am wrong, I have admitted it. When I have not received unquestionable information to dispute my ideas, I will continue to look for information. When it comes to just opinions. I will say mine in response to someone else.

This thread started not with a journalist fact piece but an OP-ED column. Of course I will debate opinions. If it was meant to be factual journalism, it would have been in the Politics sections of the news site instead of the Opinion section.

I am not sure where all the hatred of me comes from in regards to opinions. Opinions can be changed and my opinions change all the time. I have found very little undisputed facts from anything I or anyone else here has presented. The times that it has occurred, I have conceded to the information provided.

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In regards to the climate change thing, I have, on multiple occasions, stated I believe in climate change. I have a problem with the data collection and processing methods. I think the whole situation with regards to the data can be cleared up with new studies that are scientifically peered review. This has not been the case in the last decade. While I mainly bring up things that many "climate deniers" say, it is only to show the contradicting elements within the debate. And the debate will continue until real science prevails over the "activism science" that is coming from both sides.

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King Lucem Ferre said

I'm not discouraging discussion. I'm warning a friend that he's wasting time. Not over personal grudges, over the stubborn arrogance of these two.  

You really consider me arrogant? I am really at a loss on this. No one who personally knows me, whether they like or dislike me, has ever accused me of arrogance (at least not directly to me). I have been accused of many other things but not this. And stubborn was never an accusation by anyone except people on this forum. I have changed my ideas from things many people on here have said.  @piggofdoom , @cheshyr , @noah-fence , and @lucem-ferre (and probably others) have posted things that have changed my opinions and ideas on numerous subjects.

I do not wish @piggofdoom to stop talking to me. How will my ideas ever evolve if there isn't discourse that presents alternate views to my own.

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Cheshyr said to Guest

You ain't SHIT. You ain't about SHIT. And no matter how much "Hound Dog News" you got to report... You ain't got shit comin'!

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Psyral Infection said      
You really consider me arrogant? I am really at a loss on this. No one who personally knows me, whether they like or dislike me, has ever accused me of arrogance (at least not directly to me). I have been accused of many other things but not this.     

oh, you are unfamiliar with this phenomenon?   

huh.  i am actually kinda surprised.  

  

often starts with accusations of condescension, which is interesting on its own, as the accuser has automatically placed theirself into a clear position of inferiority at the jump.  

the accuser will then generally take to pissin on you for... just about anything you might say, whether there is a reason or not, whether their name [or even yours] came up or not.  cuz they cannot, absolutely cannot, abide your intolerable arrogance.  worse crime than actual crime.  worse than hippies.  

sadly, the accuser will typically almost immediately devolve into repetitively quotepasting emoticons and lame pictures that they got from their 'social medias', trusting in meme-power and soft-headed internet mentality to make their, uh, 'point', and maybe maybe maybe crush your spirit they hope.  it will not be effective, of course;  instead it will serve to remind you [and everyone else] that, open and accepting subcultures or no, most people are still worth writing off.  even if you dont wanna.  

 

nonetheless, the important thing to know here is that ya might as well get used to it, cuz they aint gonna let it go.  ever.  

fuckin ever.  

eventually, it will literally be the only thing they can remember about you.  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

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scruffy said
...worse than hippies...  

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timely.  thank you.  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

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...thank you.    

No problem.

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Pretty sure the Hippie movement was dead by 1969. You guys can really hold a grudge. Tounge-in-cheek or not, it is always humorous to see Juggalos try and and throw whole subcultures under the bus. What comes around goes around? AvVUsoD.jpgImage Enlarger

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"Mo-hawk fag-gut...mo-hawk fag-gut!" To a gentleman at the first GOTJ. 

I actually dislike quite a few "punk rockers" personally, but that shit was just lame.

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