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Trump campaign had at least 18 undisclosed contacts with Russians: sources
May 18, 2017
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From Reuters: 

Michael Flynn and other advisers to Donald Trump’s campaign were in contact with Russian officials and others with Kremlin ties in at least 18 calls and emails during the last seven months of the 2016 presidential race, current and former U.S. officials familiar with the exchanges told Reuters.

The previously undisclosed interactions form part of the record now being reviewed by FBI and congressional investigators probing Russian interference in the U.S. presidential election and contacts between Trump’s campaign and Russia.

Six of the previously undisclosed contacts described to Reuters were phone calls between Sergei Kislyak, Russia's ambassador to the United States, and Trump advisers, including Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser, three current and former officials said.

Conversations between Flynn and Kislyak accelerated after the Nov. 8 vote as the two discussed establishing a back channel for communication between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin that could bypass the U.S. national security bureaucracy, which both sides considered hostile to improved relations, four current U.S. officials said.

In January, the Trump White House initially denied any contacts with Russian officials during the 2016 campaign. The White House and advisers to the campaign have since confirmed four meetings between Kislyak and Trump advisers during that time.

The people who described the contacts to Reuters said they had seen no evidence of wrongdoing or collusion between the campaign and Russia in the communications reviewed so far. But the disclosure could increase the pressure on Trump and his aides to provide the FBI and Congress with a full account of interactions with Russian officials and others with links to the Kremlin during and immediately after the 2016 election.

The White House did not respond to requests for comment. Flynn's lawyer declined to comment. In Moscow, a Russian foreign ministry official declined to comment on the contacts and referred Reuters to the Trump administration.

Separately, a spokesman for the Russian embassy in Washington said: “We do not comment on our daily contacts with the local interlocutors.”

The 18 calls and electronic messages took place between April and November 2016 as hackers engaged in what U.S. intelligence concluded in January was part of a Kremlin campaign to discredit the vote and influence the outcome of the election in favor of Trump over his Democratic challenger, former secretary of state Hillary Clinton.

Those discussions focused on mending U.S.-Russian economic relations strained by sanctions imposed on Moscow, cooperating in fighting Islamic State in Syria and containing a more assertive China, the sources said.

Members of the Senate and House intelligence committees have gone to the CIA and the National Security Agency to review transcripts and other documents related to contacts between Trump campaign advisers and associates and Russian officials and others with links to Putin, people with knowledge of those investigations told Reuters.

The U.S. Justice Department said on Wednesday it had appointed former FBI Director Robert Mueller as special counsel to investigate alleged Russian meddling in the U.S. presidential campaign and possible collusion between Trump’s campaign and Russia. Mueller will now take charge of the FBI investigation that began last July. Trump and his aides have repeatedly denied any collusion with Russia.

'IT'S RARE'

In addition to the six phone calls involving Kislyak, the communications described to Reuters involved another 12 calls, emails or text messages between Russian officials or people considered to be close to Putin and Trump campaign advisers.

One of those contacts was by Viktor Medvedchuk, a Ukrainian oligarch and politician, according to one person with detailed knowledge of the exchange and two others familiar with the issue.

It was not clear with whom Medvedchuk was in contact within the Trump campaign but the themes included U.S.-Russia cooperation, the sources said. Putin is godfather to Medvedchuk’s daughter.

Medvedchuk denied having any contact with anyone in the Trump campaign.

"I am not acquainted with any of Donald Trump's close associates, therefore no such conversation could have taken place," he said in an email to Reuters.

In the conversations during the campaign, Russian officials emphasized a pragmatic, business-style approach and stressed to Trump associates that they could make deals by focusing on common economic and other interests and leaving contentious issues aside, the sources said.

Veterans of previous election campaigns said some contact with foreign officials during a campaign was not unusual, but the number of interactions between Trump aides and Russian officials and others with links to Putin was exceptional.

“It’s rare to have that many phone calls to foreign officials, especially to a country we consider an adversary or a hostile power,” Richard Armitage, a Republican and former deputy secretary of state, told Reuters.

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Beyond Medvedchuk and Kislyak, the identities of the other Putin-linked participants in the contacts remain classified and the names of Trump advisers other than Flynn have been “masked” in intelligence reports on the contacts because of legal protections on their privacy as American citizens. However, officials can request that they be revealed for intelligence purposes.

U.S. and allied intelligence and law enforcement agencies routinely monitor communications and movements of Russian officials.

After Vice President Mike Pence and others had denied in January that Trump campaign representatives had any contact with Russian officials, the White House later confirmed that Kislyak had met twice with then-Senator Jeff Sessions, who later became attorney general.

Kislyak also attended an event in April where Trump said he would seek better relations with Russia. Senior White House adviser Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, also attended that event in Washington. In addition, Kislyak met with two other Trump campaign advisers in July on the sidelines of the Republican convention.

Trump fired Flynn in February after it became clear that he had falsely characterized the nature of phone conversations with Kislyak in late December - after the Nov. 8 election and just after the Obama administration announced new sanctions on Russia. Flynn offered to testify to Congress in return for immunity from prosecution but his offer was turned down by the House intelligence committee.

Note that it DOES say that none of these contacts show any evidence of collusion. There sure as hell is a lot of smoke though. And you know what they say about smoke. 

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And looking at the contacts the democrats had with Russia, it looks like it is just common practice for US officials to contact other officials in Russia. I personally have no issue with the Dems or Reps having contact. I still think it is a good idea to have Russia on our side, or at least not our enemy. 

But now that Robert Mueller is entering the scene, I am hoping this will expose illegal practices on ALL sides of the spectrum, and end the false narratives and accusations that both sides perpetuate.  Like many of us Right Wing Nutjobs, I fully support the Special Counsel and hope that this clears the matter up once and for all so that the administration can start focusing on real matters. I also frequent the NeverTrumper side of the web, so I also know that it is unlikely that the narrative will change if it turns out there was no collusion. The BAMN (By Any Means Necessary) philosophy is strong. I have been told by them that they don't care about truth. They just want to ruin Trump and Republicans "by any means necessary" and will spread lies as often as they can till he is brought down. 

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Honestly at this point I think Trump will have more issues with his obstruction of justice charges than he would have had with Russia. Never should have fired Comey. 

 

But I'm glad he did. 

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Obstruction of Justice? Where? I just can't follow the logic in the timeline.

The FBI cleared Flynn of wrongdoing a month before the Trump dinner with Comey. Comey then stated under oath on May 3rd that he has never been asked to stop an investigation. Furthermore, no one has seen this note. The source is an un-named anonymous source like most of the sources of the anti-Trump hit pieces in the media.

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Pigg said
Honestly at this point I think Trump will have more issues with his obstruction of justice charges than he would have had with Russia. Never should have fired Comey. 

 

But I'm glad he did.   

Ben Shapiro predicts that this "obstruction of justice" catchphrase currently oozing out of many Democrat leaders such as Skeksis Pelosi 

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will be their 2018 midterm election platform. Brace to hear the phrase (and likely not the evidence) at least thru the next election cycle. Maybe their bumper stickers should say "I saw it on the internet so it must be true. BLUE 2018!!"

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krunkazphuk said

Pigg said
Honestly at this point I think Trump will have more issues with his obstruction of justice charges than he would have had with Russia. Never should have fired Comey. 

 

But I'm glad he did.   

Ben Shapiro predicts that this "obstruction of justice" catchphrase currently oozing out of many Democrat leaders such as Skeksis Pelosi 

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will be their 2018 midterm election platform. Brace to hear the phrase (and likely not the evidence) at least thru the next election cycle. Maybe their bumper stickers should say "I saw it on the internet so it must be true. BLUE 2018!!"  

Obstruction of justice catchphrase??? It's been a thing for quite a long time and it's important to address when it happens. I still don't understand Juggalos (and women) who support Trump. Basically going against everything ICP and Juggalos represent. People not voting in their best interest has always been a problem though, it's the Republican bread and butter and keeps the cycle of inequality rolling.

P.S 

The internet has a wealth of vital information and overall is a better and more trusted resource than Fox News and angry talk shows. Not to mention there are waaaaaaay to many bogus conservative sites that are used to spread manipulation, fear and false information.

Trump fucking sucks, get over it.  

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but but but have you considered her... emails?

This bigot shit lord is gonna get whats coming to him and all the people who voted for him because they were scared of brown and black people, of lgbt people, and of people having equal access to healthcare will believe him innocent because they are in too deep.

If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter

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"Your lack of online social presence makes it difficult for me to predict your needs..." - 2064: Read Only Memories

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Bigot shit lord? Ah you liberals, so quick to whine and cry, equality! Accept everyone as they are! Then as soon as someone has their own opinion that doesn't pander to liberal ideology, they're bigots and radical rights and hatemongers. Yet listen to the venom comin from your mouth. Practice what ya preach sensitives ass libs

"How come there ain't enough for everyone, how come you can't take back the shit that you've done?"

 

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Bigot shit lord? Ah you liberals, so quick to whine and cry, equality! Accept everyone as they are! Then as soon as someone has their own opinion that doesn't pander to liberal ideology, they're bigots and radical rights and hatemongers. Yet listen to the venom comin from your mouth. Practice what ya preach sensitives ass libs  

You're done. All of you fuckers. Die with dignity.

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Okay, quick story. An older white man, approximately age 70, started discussing with me some politics. He mentioned how he voted for Trump.

Then he said "I'm an environmentalist over everything else. I'm embarrassed to say that I voted for Trump, because of his administration. They are death to my environment" 

If an old white man can humble enough to admit his mistake, maybe you worthless scum can, too.

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Old Mr Dangerous said
Okay, quick story. An older white man, approximately age 70, started discussing with me some politics. He mentioned how he voted for Trump.

Then he said "I'm an environmentalist over everything else. I'm embarrassed to say that I voted for Trump, because of his administration. They are death to my environment" 

If an old white man can humble enough to admit his mistake, maybe you worthless scum can, too.  

Sticks & stones, love. Thanks for mentioning your source's skin color. Twice. The only environment I see Trump killing is the one where victimhood flourishes. Real science (empirical analysis of ice core samples, solar cycles, etc.) suggests climate change involves much more than carbon emissions, and that ice ages likely happen regardless of how many carbon credits you buy. The Paris Agreement seems to be nothing more than a grifter slush fund. Here's a letter where some NASA scientists, engineers, and astronauts say things like "We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated..."

http://www.businessinsider.com.....nge-2012-4

Throw bricks into the Grand Canyon all you like, but I'm betting the Sun is more powerful than activist mi$information.

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If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter

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SouthernSamurai said
Bigot shit lord? Ah you liberals, so quick to whine and cry, equality! Accept everyone as they are! Then as soon as someone has their own opinion that doesn't pander to liberal ideology, they're bigots and radical rights and hatemongers. Yet listen to the venom comin from your mouth. Practice what ya preach sensitives ass libs  

Conservatives think it's okay to call me a faggot and a wet back, so I'm just returning the favor. You guys wanted to be done with "political correctness" so you are subhuman shit. "Just calling it like i see it". You won. This is what you wanted. Practice what you preach racist ass cons.

If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter

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krunkazphuk said

Old Mr Dangerous said
Okay, quick story. An older white man, approximately age 70, started discussing with me some politics. He mentioned how he voted for Trump.

Then he said "I'm an environmentalist over everything else. I'm embarrassed to say that I voted for Trump, because of his administration. They are death to my environment" 

If an old white man can humble enough to admit his mistake, maybe you worthless scum can, too.  

Sticks & stones, love. Thanks for mentioning your source's skin color. Twice. The only environment I see Trump killing is the one where victimhood flourishes. Real science (empirical analysis of ice core samples, solar cycles, etc.) suggests climate change involves much more than carbon emissions, and that ice ages likely happen regardless of how many carbon credits you buy. The Paris Agreement seems to be nothing more than a grifter slush fund. Here's a letter where some NASA scientists, engineers, and astronauts say things like "We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated..."

http://www.businessinsider.com.....nge-2012-4

Throw bricks into the Grand Canyon all you like, but I'm betting the Sun is more powerful than activist mi$information.

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June 9, 2017
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krunkazphuk said

Old Mr Dangerous said
Okay, quick story. An older white man, approximately age 70, started discussing with me some politics. He mentioned how he voted for Trump.

Then he said "I'm an environmentalist over everything else. I'm embarrassed to say that I voted for Trump, because of his administration. They are death to my environment" 

If an old white man can humble enough to admit his mistake, maybe you worthless scum can, too.  

Sticks & stones, love. Thanks for mentioning your source's skin color. Twice. The only environment I see Trump killing is the one where victimhood flourishes. Real science (empirical analysis of ice core samples, solar cycles, etc.) suggests climate change involves much more than carbon emissions, and that ice ages likely happen regardless of how many carbon credits you buy. The Paris Agreement seems to be nothing more than a grifter slush fund. Here's a letter where some NASA scientists, engineers, and astronauts say things like "We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated..."

http://www.businessinsider.com.....nge-2012-4

Throw bricks into the Grand Canyon all you like, but I'm betting the Sun is more powerful than activist mi$information.

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https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

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Noah Fence said

Conservatives think it's okay to call me a faggot and a wet back, so I'm just returning the favor. You guys wanted to be done with "political correctness" so you are subhuman shit. "Just calling it like i see it". You won. This is what you wanted. Practice what you preach racist ass cons.  

I would like to suggest "some conservatives". I have witnessed the racism on the right and the left but it does not include everyone on those sides. I am conservative and would never call you a faggot. I wouldn't even bring sexual orientation or gender identities into it. At the most I would assume that you like females from your "crushes" that you have mentioned. I would also not call you a wet back. If you had dual citizenship in Mexico, I may refer to you as an American Mexican or Mexican American depending on your original citizenship designation. I myself am a mutt, with some ancestors that were Mexican (some "Hispanic", some "German", but both Mexican) but I would not label myself as Mexican since I do not have citizenship there.

I lean towards "Literal Correctness" more than "Political Correctness".

And conservatives may have "won" in a political since, but Americans have not won until unity of purpose has been created/restored.

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Dehumanizing the "other" is nothing new. Some Native Americans called Europeans a racial slur meaning "non-human, two-legged" before they lost the war. I think I'm hearing the death throes of the leftist narrative. Either that or Noah's pancreas is exploding. Win/Win?

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Psyral Infection said

I would like to suggest "some conservatives". I have witnessed the racism on the right and the left but it does not include everyone on those sides. I am conservative and would never call you a faggot. I wouldn't even bring sexual orientation or gender identities into it. At the most I would assume that you like females from your "crushes" that you have mentioned. I would also not call you a wet back. If you had dual citizenship in Mexico, I may refer to you as an American Mexican or Mexican American depending on your original citizenship designation. I myself am a mutt, with some ancestors that were Mexican (some "Hispanic", some "German", but both Mexican) but I would not label myself as Mexican since I do not have citizenship there.

I lean towards "Literal Correctness" more than "Political Correctness".

And conservatives may have "won" in a political since, but Americans have not won until unity of purpose has been created/restored.  

You are not the type of conservative that Trump is trying to appeal to. In fact, you sound more like a Ben Sasse conservative, who was vehemently opposed to Trump's candidacy.

 

Frankly, I wish more conservatives were like you, then maybe we would have a functioning government.

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