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From the Associated Press: https://apnews.com/2c23a62730ef44c9bd674117a8224b3f
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration is considering an emergency declaration that would allow it to make an arms shipment to Saudi Arabia without the approval of Congress, two U.S. officials and lawmakers opposed to the move said Thursday.The officials say a decision on invoking a national security waiver in the Arms Export Control Act to bypass congressional review of proposed sales to the Saudis could be made as early as Friday. The officials were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.
It was not immediately clear what sales would be covered by the possible waiver, which could allow previously blocked weapons transfers to move forward or be applied to new ones. A sale of precision-guided munitions to Saudi Arabia has been on hold for over a year.
Congressional opposition to U.S. military support for Saudi Arabia has been growing and lawmakers have blocked about $2 billion in arms sales to the kingdom for more than a year due to concerns over civilian casualties in the Saudi-led military operation in Yemen and outrage over the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in October by Saudi agents.
President Donald Trump last month vetoed legislation that would have ended U.S. military assistance for the Saudi-led war in Yemen against Iran-backed rebels but administration officials have complained that sales remain blocked. The law requires Congress to be notified of potential arms sales, giving the body the opportunity to block the sale. But the law also allows the president to waive that review process by declaring an emergency that requires the sale be made “in the national security interests of the United States.”
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who would authorize the waiver, has been considering the step for months, according to the officials. But the matter has become more pressing in recent weeks due to what the administration says are heightened threats from Iran and drone attacks on Saudi oil facilities by Yemen’s Houthi rebels this week.
Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, The ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said Thursday that he would move to halt any sales that arise from an exemption.
“I will pursue all appropriate legislative and other means to nullify these and any planned ongoing sales should the administration move forward in this manner,” he said in a statement. “The Congressional review process exists so that the Senate can ask questions about whether a particular arms sale serves our national interests and supports our values, including human rights and civilian protections.”
Democrat Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut warned Wednesday that the administration might use the “obscure loophole” to bypass congressional approval.
“Trump knows he would lose a vote on the sale — Congress and the American public object to selling these bombs to the Saudis,” Murphy said in a series of tweets on the matter. “If there is an emergency, it’s a humanitarian emergency caused by the bombs we sell the Saudis.”
There is precedent for using the emergency exemption for arms sales to Saudi Arabia. President Ronald Reagan invoked it in the 1980s and both Presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush used it for sales before the 1991 Gulf War and the 2003 Iraq war.
The State Department declined to comment, citing a policy against discussing potential arms sales until Congress is notified.
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Yep. That is standard operating procedure. Under Obama, the United States sold more than $115 billion in weapons to Saudi Arabia. And as for congressional approval? He went around congress too. And so did Bush and Clinton and Reagan. It is not uncommon and rarely makes the news except now because ...
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Psyral Infection said
Yep. That is standard operating procedure. Under Obama, the United States sold more than $115 billion in weapons to Saudi Arabia. And as for congressional approval? He went around congress too. And so did Bush and Clinton and Reagan. It is not uncommon and rarely makes the news except now because ...
I know. I think it's wrong regardless of the president. It's a ridiculous loophole that should be closed.
But also, yes. Orange man bad. Turtle man, too. Turtle man might be worse.
9:35 am
March 30, 2013
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Pigg said
I know. I think it's wrong regardless of the president. It's a ridiculous loophole that should be closed.
But also, yes. Orange man bad. Turtle man, too. Turtle man might be worse.
Who the fuck is Turtle Man? Bernie? You're nuts.
10:21 am
May 4, 2014
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Pigg said
I know. I think it's wrong regardless of the president. It's a ridiculous loophole that should be closed...
The "ridiculous loophole" might be better defined as separation of powers. This happened a few weeks ago:
"President Trump said on Monday that he was designating a powerful arm of the Iranian military as a foreign terrorist organization, the first time that the United States has named part of another nation’s government as that type of official threat."
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/08/world/middleeast/trump-iran-revolutionary-guard-corps.html
Appears Trump has chosen a side, & that side is Israel. Not Iran. So if Saudi is currently fighting Iran, seems some "enemy of my enemy" arms deals are happening in the name of counterterrorism. At least on paper. 
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September 18, 2012
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krunkazphuk said
=Appears Trump has chosen a side, & that side is Israel. Not Iran. So if Saudi is currently fighting Iran, seems some "enemy of my enemy" arms deals are happening in the name of counterterrorism. At least on paper.
We've shown our allegiance to Isreal long ago and continuously play blind to Saudi's bullshit.
Sad fact is if we end up going to war, Iran isn't like Iraq or Pakistan. Iran has been preparing for this moment. It's going to get nasty.
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King Lucem Ferre said
We've shown our allegiance to Isreal long ago and continuously play blind to Saudi's bullshit...
If u haven't already read this book, u might enjoy it. I did. It's called Confessions of an Economic Hit Man and it describes how in 1974 herds of goats were eating garbage in Saudi's somewhat Stone Age capital city. Soon after the US teamed up with Saudi and built its current state-of-the-art infrastructure FOR FREE (as an investment in oil futures) so we've been team Saudi for over a generation. Here's an online version:
http://r.duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=.....hitman.pdf
King Lucem Ferre said
...Iran has been preparing for this moment. It's going to get nasty.
It's already nasty in a fundamentalist, religiously fanatical kind of way. I've heard the Middle East's nuclear situation boiled down to "never allow a caliphate to develop nuclear capabilities". Or as my friend boiled it down further, THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN A ZEALOT WITH A BONER. Given what I've seen FIRSTHAND (I went to a high-end engineering college with crazyrich Iranian boys) I tend to agree. And this amazing atheist journalist summed Iran up as an axis of evil country in one of the best political speeches I've ever seen (I particularly like his take on psychopathic dictators):
YouTube Video Christopher Hitchens - The axis of evil
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I say nuke the fuck out of Iran kill them all I want to watch that place blow up in 4K UHD
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1:27 pm
May 4, 2014
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the_godlike_smack said
Not surprised ur one of the "Turn the place into a glass parking lot" crowd. I'm rooting for the secular youth of today, & hope they take their liberty back from the zealots.
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the_godlike_smack said
I say nuke the fuck out of Iran kill them all I want to watch that place blow up in 4K UHD
That's exactly the type of rhetoric Iran had about North America (specifically the US) that lead to the fall of Iran into radical Islam.
Seriously read about that and compare it to the alt-right movement in America. Shit is scary. I personally fear that happening much more than I fear us becoming like the UK.
The whole thing that gave credence to Iran's xenophobia was that we actually were puppeting their last Shah.
I'm not rooting for destroying a nation over a threat that we had a big hand in creating.
I'm for the destruction of conservatism and religion in it's self.
2:40 pm
March 30, 2018
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your president is smart he only let in around 20,000 refugees do not let muslims inside your country
compared to my traitor of a Prime Minister who let in around 400,000 and by 2020 it will be close to 1,000,000
these people are raping Canadian women and getting away with it and Trudeau laughs about it
did you know a Canadian citizen left Canada to join Isis and he killed an American soldier got sent to Guantanamo Bay and then Justin Trudeau gave the man 10.5 million dollars because he was tortured meanwhile the soldier's widow and children get nothing
what's happening in the UK and France is happening to Canada I see it with my own eyes
thank god I live in Quebec where we don't want people speaking English let alone Arabic we just passed a law here that won't let Muslims wear their religious head where or any religious symbol if they want to work a government job so no muslims can be teachers,doctors,lawyers,judges,politicians,police officers and so on
and were trying to ban halal meat saying its animal cruelty, if that get's banned Quebec will be the safest place in Canada
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6:21 pm
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Old Mr Dangerous said
Who the fuck is Turtle Man? Bernie? You're nuts.
No. Mitch "Cocaine" McConnell. The Senate Majority leader. A senator from Kentucky.
krunkazphuk said
THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN A ZEALOT WITH A BONER.
I'm guessing you are also opposed to the US trying to "secretly" develop a nuclear program in Saudi Arabia is well? I would consider them zealots as well.
I'm a fan of Hitchens. I'll check out that video when I get a second.
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Pigg said
krunkazphuk said
THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN A ZEALOT WITH A BONER.
I'm guessing you are also opposed to the US trying to "secretly" develop a nuclear program in Saudi Arabia is well? I would consider them zealots as well...
Yeah, Saudi is an absolute monarchy with a mandatory state religion, so I vote HELL NO on their nuclear program. My in-laws lived on an American compound & worked in the consulate there for Halliburton, & besides noticing the regular public beheadings, they also saw that a prince had a huge satellite dish while the common people weren't allowed to have one. (Wouldn't want his peasants corrupted by the Great Satan & all...)
My guess about that "secret" u mentioned is that the Military Industrial Complex made Saudi, so it would be no problem to unmake it if necessary. Probably just fucking with them to appease them all the way to the bank. Now, for all my fellow infidels, please enjoy this Saudi Prom Queen:
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Hey look, something we can agree on. It's nice sometimes.
But no, I was talking about this:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-nuclear-idUSKCN1R82MG
10:58 am
May 4, 2014
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Pigg said
Hey look, something we can agree on. It's nice sometimes...
No, it's really not. I never wanna agree with someone gullible enough to link an article that says "Many U.S. lawmakers are concerned that sharing nuclear technology with Saudi Arabia could eventually lead to a nuclear arms race in the Middle East." I think Israel & Pakistan just busted a nut laughing.
I suspect that nuclear arms race has been in full swing for a while, & as usual, since the U.S. is a balla arms exporter we'll get blamed for Islamic kids running with the radioactive scissors their parents bought at our military garage sale.
Somehow I always seem to agree with Gangstababy:
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King Lucem Ferre said
That's exactly the type of rhetoric Iran had about North America (specifically the US) that lead to the fall of Iran into radical Islam.
Seriously read about that and compare it to the alt-right movement in America. Shit is scary. I personally fear that happening much more than I fear us becoming like the UK.
The whole thing that gave credence to Iran's xenophobia was that we actually were puppeting their last Shah.
I'm not rooting for destroying a nation over a threat that we had a big hand in creating.
I'm for the destruction of conservatism and religion in it's self.
KLF for the win here. Great_White_Smack,
THIS IS WHY PEOPLE SLIDE TO THE LEFT, REALLY LEFT. EVEN TOO LEFT FOR MY LIKING. AND I'M A 90'S LIBERAL! Iran had NOTHING TO DO with 9/11 and there is NO REASON TO NUKE THEM! WAR COSTS MONEY. IT ENRICHES THE PREDATORY CAPITALIST SCUMFUCK BANKERS AND PUTS THE ECONOMY INTO FURTHER DEBT BECAUSE WE THE CITIZENS HAVE TO PAY FOR THE WAR WITH OUR TAXES AND OUR BLOOD TO GO AND FIGHT WARS FOR RICH WHITE MEN THAT RULE THE WORLD!
I don't know why you think it makes sense to put a nation further and further into debt just to satisfy some stupid bloodlust that has no basis in reality.
But KLF, I gotta give you a small tap on this one: Saying that Islamic extremism only started because of western intervention in that region is a dangerous lie. Because it makes guilty white liberals all over the world turn a blind eye to what Muslims are doing in Europe now. Islam ITSELF is extreme because Muhammad (piss be upon him) was a fucking warlord who slaughtered innocents, conquered nations and fucked little girls. Muhammad was not peaceful like Jesus and it's time we stop making false equations between Christians and Muslims on the whole. Nations with Christian heritage have been tempered by secularism and a growing respect for atheists, gays and females. You can't show me any modern Muslim nation that has that. Again, no more false equations. You have to stop giving Islam a pass if you claim to be against religion.
But you are correct that the west ALSO FUNDED IT. I know all about American intervention and toppling governments to install puppets. Quite often as a way to grab resources and also make money in the drug trade, that they further profit off of when the put drugs in the streets of middle class people via gangs and corrupt cops and CIA thugs all connected through freemasonry. One of the best authors to wake me up to that when I was in high school years ago was William Blum (rest in peace). Rogue State is a must read for anyone in my view.
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April 25, 2017
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Israeli and American links to the Saudi's are obvious. Rumour has it some of the Saudis are secret Donmeh, Kabbalistic Jews.
https://www.siasat.pk/forums/threads/the-jewish-roots-of-the-saudi-royal-family.313936/
http://www.ahl-alquran.com/Eng.....n_id=15910
Could be, but if not, they're more likely Islamic shriner freemasons. Either way, they have SOME link to the Israeli and American criminal networks.
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This book, for the first time, suggests that both Israel and Saudia Arabia were intimately involved in planning and carrying out the 9/11 attack on the United States. Both countries,while seemingly enemies have been longtime secret allies. They share a number of common enemies, including Iran, Shia Islam, pan-Arab nationalism, Hezbollah, and the Muslim Brotherhood. Their intelligence chiefs often meet and conspire in utmost secrecy. The Saudis and Israelis had the motive and the means to cooperate in launching a "false flag" terrorist attack on the United States in order to plunge America into endless conflicts to bolster the positions of Israel and Saudi Arabia. This book tells that story.
Globalists created Wahhabi Terrorism to Destroy Islam and Justify a Global State
11:34 pm
April 25, 2017
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Psyral Infection said
Yep. That is standard operating procedure. Under Obama, the United States sold more than $115 billion in weapons to Saudi Arabia. And as for congressional approval? He went around congress too. And so did Bush and Clinton and Reagan. It is not uncommon and rarely makes the news except now because ...
Yep, the outrage is very selective from liberals AND conservatives who always refuse to acknowledge that THEIR GUY TOO is a verified crook.
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Psyral Infection said
Yep. That is standard operating procedure. Under Obama, the United States sold more than $115 billion in weapons to Saudi Arabia. And as for congressional approval? He went around congress too. And so did Bush and Clinton and Reagan. It is not uncommon and rarely makes the news except now because ...
What does Trump have to do to prove to you that he's a piece of shit until you understand why people like himself shouldn't be in power? Spit in your face, kick your dog, fuck your wife and burn your house down? I can't fucking stand people who blindly follow this madman. Is it because his racism aligns with yours? Is he a spokesman for the hate that resides inside you? Is it because you want our world to go to war? Do you want chaos? okay. North Korea's deadline is up. Bombs away.
Oh I mean...
I drank my coffee this morning and thought why not drink it naked? Might drip some on my junk and fuck, that would burn.
"I Just Wanna Hide Inside My Own Private Hell"- Boondox
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What does Trump have to do to prove to you that he's a piece of shit until you understand why people like himself shouldn't be in power? Spit in your face, kick your dog, fuck your wife and burn your house down? I can't fucking stand people who blindly follow this madman. Is it because his racism aligns with yours? Is he a spokesman for the hate that resides inside you? Is it because you want our world to go to war? Do you want chaos? okay. North Korea's deadline is up. Bombs away.
what has Trump done wrong since becoming President??
other than piss off the left he's been your best President ever
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