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Should ICP play MOAR
August 25, 2017
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So someone claiming to be an organizer of MOAR said he wants ICP to come join their rally. I'm assuming he meant after the juggalo march. He claims that they aren't the nazis that was in Charlottesville, and that it isn't a counter protest to Black Lives Matter. Ok.

My first initial reaction was lolno.

But now that I'm thinking about it, I think it would be great.

I mean, since it's about free speech and patriotism, and definitely not about racism, icp could rock that shit hard.

They can open up with Your Rebel Flag/ Confederate Flag medley. Light one on fire for old times sake.

Then move right into flame thrower. We don't need no water let that mother fucker burn.

Jump into classic icp with Chicken Hunting. maybe some 17 dead. 

Bring it back to "that one dating contestants with the killer clowns it's funny" song that the organizer just loves.

Maybe get religious with some hellalujuh.

They could bring big hoodoo on to do his song boom boom piggy since its against profiling and they said they hate that we are being profiled.

Kick some fuck the world just because

Throw in some new shit, apocalypse or shock, maybe OK or the world is yours to keep it positive. 

Mr. Johnson's Head would be sick.

I'm just brainstorming.

This would be fun right? 

If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter

August 25, 2017
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No they shouldnt...when juggalos gather, its all about juggaloism, not our individual beliefs from the outside world...we need to focus on our agenda, and not worry about the rest of the world...any other day of the year you can march with whoever you want, but on this day, its all about juggaloing...fuck the world

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I agree with @spookythefungi . The focus of the day should be about the unconstitutional designation of music fans as a gang by the FBI.

That being said, I would not mind seeing ICP at M.O.A.R. though I think that list of songs is a bit much. Maybe one song from the list but any more would make a nice concert seem like a targeted political statement. I don't think the 3 key speakers at M.O.A.R. would mind any one song from the list since, in general, they oppose the idea of American citizens being classified by race. In fact, if you want to bring race into it, not one of them (Hamody Jasim, Marco Gutierrez, and Omar Navarro) is "white". The only racist idea that can be stretched out of it if you really try is from Marco Gutierrez who is from Latinos for Trump. I would prefer the term "Americans for Trump" but that's just me.

I also don't think they will allow the Confederate flag to be burnt. Not because they disagree with it, but because they have stated from the beginning (and also on their website) that the Confederate Flag will NOT be allowed at M.O.A.R. I think I posted this before but this is from their website. First paragraph:

https://www.motherofallrallies.com/

THE ONLY FLAG THAT UNIFIES US ALL IS THE AMERICAN RED WHITE AND BLUE FLAG. NO CONFEDERATE FLAGS ALLOWED. ... WE CONDEMN RACISTS OF ALL COLORS AND SUPREMACY OF ALL COLORS. OUR PATRIOTS ARE OF ALL COLORS AND WE ARE UNITING UNDER OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. WE ARE AMERICANS AND OUR COLOR SHOULDN'T MATTER.

They continue a little later ...

We are uniting in honor of the United States of America; all people regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, age or political affiliation are invited.

...

If ICP or anyone wishes to perform or speak, they should contact M.O.A.R. via email: [email protected] . If you want a more direct line of communication with the M.O.A.R. organizers you can also call: 727-537-0196 ... Ask for Tommy. He has given the phone number publically so I am not revealing anything private here.

@noah-fence , while you probably don't understand the "LGBT for Trump" or "Gays for Trump" crowd (just an assumption on my part), I have reached out to Peter Boykin and Scott Presler to find out when they are speaking. I will let you know the times they plan on speaking and if it does not conflict with the Juggalo March timeline and you are interested in what makes them tick, maybe you could stop by. Just a thought.

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August 25, 2017
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Noah Fence said
So someone claiming to be an organizer of MOAR said he wants ICP to come join their rally. I'm assuming he meant after the juggalo march. He claims that they aren't the nazis that was in Charlottesville, and that it isn't a counter protest to Black Lives Matter. Ok.

My first initial reaction was lolno.

But now that I'm thinking about it, I think it would be great.

I mean, since it's about free speech and patriotism, and definitely not about racism, icp could rock that shit hard.

They can open up with Your Rebel Flag/ Confederate Flag medley. Light one on fire for old times sake.

Then move right into flame thrower. We don't need no water let that mother fucker burn.

Jump into classic icp with Chicken Hunting. maybe some 17 dead. 

Bring it back to "that one dating contestants with the killer clowns it's funny" song that the organizer just loves.

Maybe get religious with some hellalujuh.

They could bring big hoodoo on to do his song boom boom piggy since its against profiling and they said they hate that we are being profiled.

Kick some fuck the world just because

Throw in some new shit, apocalypse or shock, maybe OK or the world is yours to keep it positive. 

Mr. Johnson's Head would be sick.

I'm just brainstorming.

This would be fun right?   

I'd prefer a shorter, non-partisan set including the great American anthems "Halls of Illusions"

YouTube Video Insane Clown Posse - Halls Of Illusions (Unedited Official Video)  

and "We Belong (Wraith Remix)"

YouTube Video I.C.P - We Belong (Kottonmouth Kings Remix) 

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August 25, 2017
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August 25, 2017
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Psyral, it's cute that you think i give any fucks at all about why some lgbt people might vote against their best interest.

If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter

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Noah Fence said
Psyral, it's cute that you think i give any fucks at all about why some lgbt people might vote against their best interest.  

LOL. It was just me assuming. No biggie. It was just a thought. smile

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August 25, 2017
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Answer to thread, yes. Icp should play moar . Much moar , actually. Especially now that J is in better shape. The moar shows, the better.

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August 28, 2017
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"Terrible" would be a good song for it.  Nice strong anti-racist message.

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krunkazphuk said

I'd prefer a shorter, non-partisan set

You heard it here folks. From queen of  MENSA, og Republican of true grit and spit herself just said that anti racism songs are "partisan".

and "We Belong (Wraith Remix)"

Just curious, you think the "all sizes shapes and genders" line isn't partisan tho? I'm just checking because I'm down with adding it to the list.

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"Terrible" would be a good song for it.  Nice strong anti-racist message.  

GREAT CHOICE YES

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August 29, 2017
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 @noah-fence , From your original list, it seemed like you were picking songs with a specific motive. The definitions of partisan is "a strong supporter of a party, cause, or person" and "prejudiced in favor of a particular cause". The songs you picked were specific to a cause.

The list of songs you posted were by definition partisan. Partisan does not have to be political.

Anti-racist songs ARE partisan because they support a cause.

I, too, enjoy music that does not have a "cause".

I am anti-racist, that is why I support President Trump. He may be a nationalist, but he is not racist. Seems like people of all "races" that know him personally say he is absolutely not racist. People who oppose his political agenda who do not know him claim he is the biggest racist. Same with his mental health. Those who know him and have dealt with him personally say he is a genius. Those who oppose him and refuse to have a real conversation with him say he is unintelligent and mentally unstable. I will trust those who know him.

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Psyral Infection said
 @noah-fence , From your original list, it seemed like you were picking songs with a specific motive. The definitions of partisan is "a strong supporter of a party, cause, or person" and "prejudiced in favor of a particular cause". The songs you picked were specific to a cause.

The list of songs you posted were by definition partisan. Partisan does not have to be political.

Anti-racist songs ARE partisan because they support a cause.

I, too, enjoy music that does not have a "cause".

I am anti-racist, that is why I support President Trump. He may be a nationalist, but he is not racist. Seems like people of all "races" that know him personally say he is absolutely not racist. People who oppose his political agenda who do not know him claim he is the biggest racist. Same with his mental health. Those who know him and have dealt with him personally say he is a genius. Those who oppose him and refuse to have a real conversation with him say he is unintelligent and mentally unstable. I will trust those who know him.  

I hate to be so broad, but would you trust the word of Joseph Stalin's friends over the majority?

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I am not just referring to friends. I am referring to people that have not actively refused to know him. There are many people who did not like Trump until they sat down and spoke with him one on one.

And we will see what the majority is in about 3 years. The same people in the media who say the majority of people hate Trump are the same people who gave him less than 3% chance of winning the presidency the night of the election. I do not trust what the media call the majority.

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I can see trump not being racist, because that involves hate...i think he loves the fact that he can pay minorities to do whatever he wants. He enjoys being a puppeteer.

And thats why he didnt really want to become president once he won the primary. He had to sacrifice being the puppeteer, for being a puppeteer for others. 

I think south park explained my perspective of trump pretty well last season, if ya missed it YOU FUCKED UP...i didnt like how they made the whole season one big episode, but it still had its moments...and my perspectives of this thing we call reality

August 29, 2017
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Psyral Infection said
I am anti-racist, that is why I support President Trump. He may be a nationalist, but he is not racist. Seems like people of all "races" that know him personally say he is absolutely not racist. People who oppose his political agenda who do not know him claim he is the biggest racist. Same with his mental health. Those who know him and have dealt with him personally say he is a genius. Those who oppose him and refuse to have a real conversation with him say he is unintelligent and mentally unstable. I will trust those who know him.  

I personally do not support Trump or really any politics for that matter, but I do agree that he's not racist.  The 2 main things that people bring up when they claim he is a racist are the wall and the travel ban on some muslim majority countries.

The wall: It's to make illegal immigration difficult.  He doesn't care that the people are Mexican.  He cares that they are entering the country illegally and causing economic problems.  Basically every president since we stole Texas from Mexico in 1840 something has been in favor of keeping them on their side of where we claim the border should be unless they do it legally.

The travel ban:  2 things.  1. Islam is a religion.  If he were to ban Catholics, would that be racist?  No. Why?  It's not a race. 2. When there is a terror attack that kills a number of people in public, the group that claims the attack and praises it is an Islamic militant group that encourages radicalized people to go into places illegally and kill people once they get there.  It makes sense that he would want to try to take a closer look at who is entering the United States from certain countries.  A lot of European countries aren't strict with it, and we can see how well that is working out for them.  But at least their leaders aren't being "racist."

Just my 2 cents anyway.

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Bonesaw Wizardstick said 
...Basically every president since we stole Texas from Mexico in 1840 something has been in favor of keeping them on their side of where we claim the border should be unless they do it legally... 

Well said. Even what's his name encouraged border security until the guy signing his checks told him to say something else.

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Bonesaw Wizardstick said

I personally do not support Trump or really any politics for that matter, but I do agree that he's not racist.  The 2 main things that people bring up when they claim he is a racist are the wall and the travel ban on some muslim majority countries.

The wall: It's to make illegal immigration difficult.  He doesn't care that the people are Mexican.  He cares that they are entering the country illegally and causing economic problems.  Basically every president since we stole Texas from Mexico in 1840 something has been in favor of keeping them on their side of where we claim the border should be unless they do it legally.

The travel ban:  2 things.  1. Islam is a religion.  If he were to ban Catholics, would that be racist?  No. Why?  It's not a race. 2. When there is a terror attack that kills a number of people in public, the group that claims the attack and praises it is an Islamic militant group that encourages radicalized people to go into places illegally and kill people once they get there.  It makes sense that he would want to try to take a closer look at who is entering the United States from certain countries.  A lot of European countries aren't strict with it, and we can see how well that is working out for them.  But at least their leaders aren't being "racist."

Just my 2 cents anyway.  

A few problems with these arguments:

1.

A. There's lots of illegal immigration from many other countries. I used to live with an undocumented dude from England. He came through the Canadian border.

B. If the wall is to stop illegal immigration why did he make it harder to immigrate legally from Latin American countries? Seems like that specifically targets latinx people trying to do "the right thing" and discourages legal immigration while encouraging illegal immigration.

C. It is pretty well documented that most undocumented people from Latin America come over legally, and then fail to keep up with the demands of their visas. Once the visa expires, they become illegal immigrants and if they leave the country at a point of entry they can't get back in so they stay. A home girl of mines farther died 20 miles into Mexico but she couldn't be there with him or their family because her visa had expired and she wouldn't be able to get back in to a country where she lives, works, and attends school.

D. It is physically impossible to build the wall but he uses the -idea- of the wall to get his base excited at a mythological enemy.

E. Even if you discount his comments about Mexicans being murders and rapists or whatever, he built his campaign on a general argument of violent crime from undocumented immigrants even though there's no evidence that undocumented people are more likely to commit violent crimes.

F. Joe Arpiao broke the law by targeting latinx people because he -assumed- they were undocumented. He defended joe's illegal activities as necessary to stop crimes by illegal immigrants which don't exist and actively ignored crimes in the county in his witch hunt.

G. Which doesn't even go into the many other problems related to joe arpaio. Like the fact that he punished intimates for speaking Spanish with inhumane punishments. Or the fact that more people under his care "commit suicide" at a much higher rate than is typical for inmates. Or the fact that joe's team were caught using racial slurs. And more.

H. Or the fiscally irresponsible nature of the wall which even other conservatives believes will be too costly and ineffective.

But yeah, it's not about race lmao.

2. A. If the ban was to fix the vetting process for refugees, as claimed, why haven't the processes for vetting changed?

B. It was said the ban would be temporary, because it would only take six months to fix the vetting process, so why, after the original six months, is he reinstating it? Couldn't he have worked on the vetting process without the ban?

C. The list of countries included in the ban were counties that did not include any terrorists cells which have attacked the US on US soil. So what's the justification? 

D. The list of countries was urgent, important, and intentionally chosen because of "reasons" but trump arbitrarily removed Afghanistan from the list? Why?

E. Islam is a religion not a race, but it didn't ban Muslims from Indonesia, the country with the largest population of Muslims in the world. What's different between the Muslims in Indonesia and the Muslims in the middle East?

F. Again, he wss using the fear of a mythological threat -crime from foreign brown people- to lift up campaign despite there being -no evidence- that this crime exists or that his solutions will prevent them from happening. What is that if not racism?

3. A. What about pushing the myth that obama is not American and was born in another country despite clear evidence that he was born in Hawaii?

B. If he is anti racist, what has he done or what has he pursued to block, punish, or diminish racism?

If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter

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Also, the process for refugees coming into our country is incredibly difficult as refugee families don't know where they are going or when would be impossible.

Also, do you know which demographic is most likely to be killed by Muslim terrorists? Hint: other Muslims.

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Like I said, I don't really follow politics.  Those are all interesting points that should be considered, but they don't come to mind immediately unless you follow the news and specifically look into his history and the history of the issues.

I feel like what I said it what a lot of his voters probably think which is why he is the president.  He could be a complete racist from what I know.  But generally speaking and looking at just the surface of what he's saying and doing, he's not.  That's probably part of the problem that's going on.

I'll have to look into some of that since it sounds pretty interesting.  What do you think about Korea, though?  He's catching a lot of flak for threatening them and making military moves that show them that they could become a parking lot if they do something stupid.  Yet if he chose to just let them do their thing, he would be criticized for just sitting back and watching.

And I think it's a little hypocritical that the United States is feeling threatened that they could possibly be targeted by an attack that would be miraculous if it actually worked, but not considering the fact that the whole world knows that we have been able to accurately nuke any pinpoint target between 1" outside of DC and Neptune for a while now.

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Like I said, I don't really follow politics.  Those are all interesting points that should be considered, but they don't come to mind immediately unless you follow the news and specifically look into his history and the history of the issues.

I feel like what I said it what a lot of his voters probably think which is why he is the president.  He could be a complete racist from what I know.  But generally speaking and looking at just the surface of what he's saying and doing, he's not.  That's probably part of the problem that's going on.

Yeah man. That's my point. Racism is insidious and it takes a bit of complex reasoning to really understand. Critical examination of facts is an important part of the political process. 

We have to constantly look deeper than the surface because people who want to manipulate us know how branding works. They make up catch phrases and package things in sweet little bite sized bits of info and hope we don't look beyond the surface.

I don't think anybody thinks that every trump supporter has kkk or neo nazi histories but it's worth considering why do these groups support him and what ideas do they have that we share? Why do we share them?

When people talk about racism and white supremacy they aren't talking about little Hitler wannabes. They're talking about economic trends, social norms, legal practices, and so forth. These things are pervasive in our culture. 

I do believe trump is racist. He was raised by a racist, has done nothing to challenge racism, delights in the support of racists, and has enabled the systemic, ongoing racism that I spoke of earlier. He also follows and occasionally retweets blatantly racist propaganda. 

Again, this doesn't mean every supporter is going to be bleaching their whitest whites before the weekly lynching, but it does mean that our nation is being steered into the skid by someone who at best is willfully and deliberately ignorant of the things he says and does or at worst who is deliberately trying to start a race war.

I'll have to look into some of that since it sounds pretty interesting.  What do you think about Korea, though?  He's catching a lot of flak for threatening them and making military moves that show them that they could become a parking lot if they do something stupid.  Yet if he chose to just let them do their thing, he would be criticized for just sitting back and watching.

And I think it's a little hypocritical that the United States is feeling threatened that they could possibly be targeted by an attack that would be miraculous if it actually worked, but not considering the fact that the whole world knows that we have been able to accurately nuke any pinpoint target between 1" outside of DC and Neptune for a while now.  

International politics are difficult and frustrating because you only have media to go by and all media in the us is obsessed with keeping us locked in for ratings. 

My best understanding is that their current leader is a lot more level headed than his father was and has shown a propensity towards deferring towards Chinese influence. China has no wish to start a war with us. We have a pretty decent trade deal going with them and owe them a lot of money. They have stated outright that if north korea attacks is, they will stand with us. And if we attack North Korea, we are declaring war on China.

So more or less, we should do what we have done for a while now: work towards deescalation and let north korea try to intimidate us. You'll notice before they threatened to attack our territory but when they launched icbms this week, they launched them in the other direction. 

They would love to provoke us into making a first strike and we have to do literally everything we can to prevent that. They would benefit so much, in terms of international clout and support, if we got spooked and over reacted.

I also read that if they launched nukes at us there are safety / defense strategies that may or may not keep us safe. Hawaii, Alaska, our territories in the Pacific, and the West Coast are the most likely of targets. The closer the better. 

But at the same time we need to keep our eyes on the prize and be ready to jump on go if anything does go down to prevent complete catastrophic destruction.

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