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Liberals continue to defend perverts despite their claims that they don't!
February 8, 2020
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ya-right

But you're right. She can be both a Democrat and a liberal. I'm wrong.

See how easy that is? That's how rational adults handle discussion when they're proven wrong.

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He should consider the fact that he identifies as a liberal yet is still outraged by these things before lumping all liberals in together with his headlines, etc.

 

KLF fails once again. His claim self refuting since I AM a liberal, but then he is claiming that I lump myself into the group of liberals that I call regressive when he uses the word "all" (as that word encompasses every liberal - including me). His clever attempt at arguing like "Vinyl is a liberal but he attacks liberals therefore he is attacking himself...what a moron" is an abject failure. LOL.

Another strawman, what a surprise. You going to back pedal this one and call it satire too?

I'm simply saying the way you frame these statements is hypocritical. Specifying what you mean is extremely important when communicating.

It's sensationalist fear mongering.

Pointing out how dangerous pedophile apologetics has infiltrated the left is fear mongering.

Pointing out specif things that you have problems with? No.

Pointing out 2 or 3 individual problems and dishonestly framing it as an epidemic? Yes.

Um, okay. This just shows how regressive KLF is. If it's bad news, he doesn't want to hear it.

Strawman. My issue wasn't the bad news, it's the way you dishonestly frame the bad news like an epidemic that keeps happening. You did the same shit with the Muslim thing.

You probably ignored the one article I posted that showed how a lot of these people talking about immigrant crime are dishonestly reporting statistics. Such as crimes that happen to immigrants, such as hate crimes, are being counted as immigrant crimes in some of these reports you quote.

Also, you tend to ignore the fact that Muslims aren't the only immigrants in those statistics.

It's another case of drawing circles and ignoring context.

Because according to reports, the refugees that you claim are the issue are not the ones committing immigrant crime according to the leaked police report that your articles are citing.

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But hey, I don't want to rehash a circular argument where you try to drown out everything I say with individual crimes, misleading statistics, strawmen arguments and ripping things out of context. Nobody else cares and the blatant exploitation of real issues for the sake of a petty pissing contest is absolutely gross to me. If you've shown any sign of being a thoughtful, logical, considerate and honest debater I'd have the legit discussion with you. If your intentions were genuine perhaps there's something I could learn. You can't go one disagreement with out a strawman or insult so no. You don't deserve to be treated like an adult. You can play name calling games with somebody else.

 

He doesn't have the guts to call a spade a spade.

I do it all the time. I called you a dishonest propagandist that doesn't know how to interpret information and doesn't actually care about having a thoughtful discussion but instead exploits political banter for an insecurity driven pissing contest. I think the levels of desperation I've pushed you to, such as back pedaling, dishonestly pointing things out while ignoring context, and saying it's all our fault for assuming you wanted to ban all Muslims instead of just Muslim men despite never making that clear, is blatant proof of that.

Are pedophile apologetics infiltrating the left, yes or no?

NAMBLA and a few others are trying to frame their movement as liberal but no, to say pedophile apologists are infiltrating the left is hyperbolic and dishonest. The overwhelming majority of the left are staunchly against pedophiles and them exploiting liberalism to justify pedophilia.

He can't answer.

I can.

He won't answer.

I did.

He's a wimp.  

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Liberals continue to defend perverts despite their claims that they don't!

The New Way Forward Act really drives home this point. Forty-four radical members of Congress are currently cosponsoring this attempt to overthrow The Constitution.

..."it's really impossible to describe just how radical this bill is. If passed, it would remake our immigration system for the express purpose of helping foreign-born criminals live here. The bill would allow people who have committed serious felonies in other countries to move to the United States legally... &... it would require taxpayers to transport deported criminals back into the United States... utter & total insanity..." So, according to this bill, illegal immigrants who are proven rapists, child molesters, & drug dealers not only get to stay here, but taxpayers must pay for those who were deported to return. This is called "The Right To Come Home."

Defend that, cunts.

YouTube Video Tucker: New Way Forward Act would make it nearly impossible to detain immigrants 

   

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So I'm supposed to defend a sensationalist Fox News anchor's description of a bill that I know nothing about because some left leaning politicians are trying to pass it.

 

No, I'm good.

February 8, 2020
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Looking into it, Tucker's interpretation is a fear mongering farce exploiting the vagueness of the wording.

According to the document it's ultimately up to a judge to decide if a criminal should be aloud or deported.

 

Also, I got this from a discussion on it.

 

I assume by section 3 you mean title 3, which does not makes changes to say CMT's are exempt. It amends it to remove the distinction but we maintain regulations on felony charges and in regards to multiple offenses(2 or more) as these rules are maintained in 8 U.S.C.1182 and 8 U.S.C. 1227. Child molestation as was reference is a felony and as such immigrants with a child molestation charge are not authorized access to the us under hr 5853.

TITLE III—LIMIT CRIMINAL-SYSTEM-TO-REMOVAL PIPELINE

SEC. 301. CRIMINAL OFFENSES AND IMMIGRATION LAWS.

(a) Inadmissibility Based On Criminal And Related Grounds.—Section 212(a)(2) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(2)) is amended— (1) by striking subparagraph (A); and

(2) by redesignating subparagraphs (B) through (I) as subparagraphs (A) through (H), respectively.

(b) Deportability Based On Criminal Offenses.—Section 237(a)(2) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1227(a)(2)) is amended— (1) in subparagraph (A)— (A) by striking clauses (i) and (ii);

(B) by redesignating clauses (iii) through (vi) as clauses (i) through (iv), respectively; and

(C) in clause (iv), as so redesignated, by striking “Clauses (i), (ii), and (iii)” and inserting “Clauses (i) and (ii)”;

(2) by striking subparagraph (B); and

(3) by redesignating subparagraphs (C) through (F) as subparagraphs (B) through (E), respectively. SEC. 302. DEFINITIONS.

(a) Aggravated Felony.—Section 101(a)(43) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(43)) is amended— (1) in the matter preceding subparagraph (A), by striking “means—” and inserting “means a felony, for which a term of imprisonment of not less than 5 years was imposed, that is—”;

(2) in subparagraph (F), by striking “for which the term of imprisonment at least one year”;

(3) in subparagraph (G), by striking “for which” and all that follows through “year”;

(4) in subparagraph (J), by striking “, for which a sentence of one year imprisonment or more may be imposed”;

(5) in subparagraph (P)— (A) by striking “(i)”; and

(B) by striking “and (ii) for which the term of imprisonment imposed (regardless of any suspension of such imprisonment) is at least 12 months”;

(6) in subparagraph (R), by striking “for which the term of imprisonment is at least one year”;

(7) in subparagraph (S), by striking “, for which the term of imprisonment is at least one year”; and

(8) by striking the last sentence.

(b) Conviction.—Section 101(a)(48) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(48)) is amended— (1) in subparagraph (A), by striking “court” and all that follows through “to be imposed.” and inserting the following: “court. An adjudication or judgment of guilt that has been dismissed, expunged, sealed, deferred, annulled, invalidated, withheld, or vacated, or where a court has issued a judicial recommendation against removal, or an order of probation without entry of judgment or any similar disposition, shall not be considered a conviction for purposes of this Act. No judgment on appeal or within the time to file direct appeal shall be deemed a ‘conviction’ for the purposes of this Act.”; and

(2) in subparagraph (B)— (A) by inserting “only” after “deemed to include”; and

(B) by striking “or confinement” and all that follows through the period at the end and inserting “ordered by a court of law. Any such reference shall not be deemed to include any suspension of the imposition or execution of that imprisonment or sentence in whole or in part.”.

(c) Particularly Serious Crime.—Section 208(b)(2)(B)(i) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1158)(b)(2)(B)(i)) is amended to read as follows: “(i) CONVICTION OF AGGRAVATED FELONY.—For purposes of clause (ii) of subparagraph (A), section 241(b)(3)(B), or any other provision of this Act, only an alien who has been convicted of an aggravated felony for which a term of imprisonment of not less than five years was imposed shall be considered to have been convicted of a particularly serious crime.”.

(d) Applicability.—The amendments made by this section shall apply to— (1) admissions and conduct occurring before, on, or after the date of the enactment of this Act; and

(2) convictions and sentences entered before, on, or after the date of the enactment of this Act.

Sooo..

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I've heard that u can't fix stupid. I'll just keep doing my best to keep it off my shoes. Here's art imitating life:

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King Lucem Ferre said
ya-right

But you're right. She can be both a Democrat and a liberal. I'm wrong.

See how easy that is?

I always knew Pelosi was a liberal. You apparently figured it out just now.

That's how rational adults handle discussion when they're proven wrong.

ya-right  

Does that also include jerking emogis?

Pointing out 2 or 3 individual problems and dishonestly framing it as an epidemic? Yes.

I never used the word epidemic. I also never made any numerical or statistical claims about how many western world dwelling liberals are actually pedophile apologists and pederast excuses. All I said was the fact that these ideas are even floating in the liberal ether should be cause for worry. That's all I said. Nothing more. Nothing less. So you're mistaken again. It seems to be a pattern with you.

You did the same shit with the Muslim thing.

You probably ignored the one article I posted that showed how a lot of these people talking about immigrant crime are dishonestly reporting statistics. Such as crimes that happen to immigrants, such as hate crimes, are being counted as immigrant crimes in some of these reports you quote.

You never proved that whites committing hates crimes on brown people in Europe were counted in the same category is brown on white and brown on brown rape. You did absolutely no such thing! LOL. Secondly, What does it matter what skin colour the victim is if we're talking about brown perpetrators?

If your intentions were genuine perhaps there’s something I could learn. You can’t go one disagreement with out a strawman or insult so no. You don’t deserve to be treated like an adult. You can play name calling games with somebody else.

Well since YOUR intentions about discussion of Muslim crime in Europe was never honest to begin with (because when I said I could prove it you didn't say, "I'm interested" or "okay, please show me." You said, "Sounds like bigotry to me." In other words you made up your mind. So don't pretend otherwise. Don't worry. I don't need to beat this dead horse. Everyone else can see what you constantly avoided and pretended not to see.

Uncomfortable stats
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-7/#p246310
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-9/#p246712
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-9/#p246713
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-9/#p246715
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-9/#p246719

No go zones in Sweden
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-8/#p246688
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-8/#p246693

France
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-8/#p246689

saying it’s all our fault for assuming you wanted to ban all Muslims instead of just Muslim men despite never making that clear, is blatant proof of that.

And we're back to this again. Sigh*

https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-11/#p246829
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-12/#p246836
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-12/#p246932
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-12/#p246933

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vinyllover said

https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-12/#p246932
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-12/#p246933  

It seems KLF is having trouble with the word "all" again.

vinyllover said

King Lucem Ferre said
He should consider the fact that he identifies as a liberal yet is still outraged by these things before lumping all liberals in together with his headlines, etc.

 

KLF fails once again. His claim self refuting since I AM a liberal, but then he is claiming that I lump myself into the group of liberals that I call regressive when he uses the word “all” (as that word encompasses every liberal – including me). His clever attempt at arguing like “Vinyl is a liberal but he attacks liberals therefore he is attacking himself…what a moron” is an abject failure. LOL.

KLF then said: Another strawman, what a surprise.

Nope. "All" means every one. Including me. Therefore according to choice of words KLF used, I am lumping myself into the category of people I am criticizing. Now I know that sounds stupid, but that is what is logically implied when he uses the word "all." If KLF is upset at how I re-state his arguments, he needs to change the words he uses. This is his problem, so I am to be blamed for absolutely nothing. He could have said something like the following:

"He should consider the fact that he identifies as a liberal yet is still outraged by these things before lumping other liberals who would share his disgust of pedophile apologetics in together with his headlines."

That would fix the " 'all' problem" we have just faced. But it would still be silly because I would not be attacking people who would agree with me. So he could say this instead:

"He should consider the fact that he identifies as a liberal yet is still outraged by these things before lumping other liberals in together with his headlines."

Well since I never claimed to know exactly precisely how many liberals are pedophile apologists, I was merely expressing my anger at the fact that some or any pedophile apologetics has infiltrated liberalism at all. There was no talk about any precise numbers, nor claims of any "epidemic." That is all in KLF's head.

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Most of us read regularly. I read every day. Nice straw man, though.

 

We just have no reason to read your gish gallops of articles that have already been repeatedly debunked.

 

Just like I didn't read the OP, because you have time and time again been proved to post deceitful or outright wrong information, so there's no reason to waste my time.

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You should schedule an appointment with a mental health professional, bud.  

February 8, 2020
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Pigg said

Just like I didn't read the OP, because you have time and time again been proved to post deceitful or outright wrong information, so there's no reason to waste my time.  

All the old links of individual posts of mine that I brought back show the exact opposite. You're the same coward who wouldn't debate all the points I raised against the very serious of youtube videos called "the alt-right playbook" that YOU linked up. You wanted to preach, but you didn't want to hear counter points. That means that YOU are the one who doesn't really care about an open exchange of ideas. Your actions betray your words.

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vinyllover said
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vinyllover said

Yes I know many people on this board don't have the patience or mental dexterity to read something that's a little more in depth than ICP rap lyrics or pathetic virtue signaling. I understand that. You don't have to keep telling me.  I noticed this when people couldn't refute the stuff I gathered and posted about the "gang list." LOL. I noticed it once again when KLF kept dodging evidence of Muslim controlled no go zones in Europe, and also when Pigg admitted to dodging posts that I made in response to a series of videos called "the alt-right playbook" that HE HIMSELF POSTED!  

Sooooo, is that a yes or no on if this is fun? 

I see no difference between a corpse and a sex toy

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All the old links of individual posts of mine that I brought back show the exact opposite. You're the same coward who wouldn't debate all the points I raised against the very serious of youtube videos called "the alt-right playbook" that YOU linked up. You wanted to preach, but you didn't want to hear counter points. That means that YOU are the one who doesn't really care about an open exchange of ideas. Your actions betray your words.  

See my previous post.

 

There's no point in debating someone who doesn't argue in good faith and posts walls of false or misleading information.

 

Especially when it's not going to change anyone's mind.

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Now you're starting to get it.

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Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes — assholes who just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls.

The problem with dicks is that sometimes they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate — and it takes a pussy to show them that.

But sometimes, pussies get so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are only an inch and a half away from assholes.

I don't know much in this crazy, crazy world, but I do know that if you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit!

Whoop Whoop Slumerican502 :

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Also, if you think its just liberals that are covering up pedophilia you are out of your fucking mind. This isnt a political issue. Conservatives bang kids too. 

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Slumerican502 said
Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes — assholes who just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls.

The problem with dicks is that sometimes they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate — and it takes a pussy to show them that.

But sometimes, pussies get so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are only an inch and a half away from assholes.

I don't know much in this crazy, crazy world, but I do know that if you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit!  

America fuck yeah

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Also, if you think its just liberals that are covering up pedophilia you are out of your fucking mind. This isnt a political issue. Conservatives bang kids too.   

So you did read my posts on page 1?

#5

Good job, lefties. You have abandoned your duty to protect children from perverts. Something you claimed many on the right were turning a blind eye too.

 

#6
So how does it feel liberals, to know that you have fallen this far? That you are just as bad as those pedophiles and perverts on the right such as Warren Farrell, that asshole who masquerades as a men’s rights activist these days?

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