that statistic disappears after you control for socio-economic conditions it proves that the culture wasn’t causing it.

Only when compared to the whites they live with in the same country WHO HAVE A BETTER, LESS MISOGYNIST CULTURE that the children are raised up in from birth. But it's coincidence, right? LOL. You're so deluded.

Why do the wealthy Saudi government have less women's rights and have gays and atheists killed? They have money so because they have money and are well off, they should automatically be liberal right? That is your logic followed to the very end since you claim culture means nothing now and economics mean everything. If that's true, then why do wealthy Muslims still commit crime and poor whites and blacks don't? ECONOMICS CLEARLY ISN'T THE ONLY DETERMINING FACTOR in someone's behaviour you liar!

SHOW ME ONE NATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST THAT IS AS PROGRESSIVE WITH RIGHTS FOR WOMEN, GAYS AND ATHEISTS AS WESTERN NATIONS. Otherwise, you have NO JUSTIFICATION for pretending that the laws and freedoms in the west were just created in a vacuum instead of passed and signed into law by majority white liberals. If you grant that humans create laws, then you have to accept that CLEARLY the laws reflect the overall culture of the land. And since there is no Muslim country in the middle east that is as liberal as so many are in the west, it’s clear their culture is inferior. The Muslim culture is the ONLY CULTURE that has been responsible for spreading female genital mutilation in Europe and even parts of Africa where it wasn’t before.
So yeah, it’s clearly a shit culture!

Turkey?

No don't say it. SHOW ME! SHOW ME THE LAWS IN TURKEY THAT PERMIT ABORTION UP TO AND INCLUDING THREE MONTHS. SHOW ME THE RAPE SHIELD LAWS THAT EXIST IN A LOT OF PLACES IN THE WEST. SHOW ME WHERE GAYS AND ATHEISTS HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THE ACLU TO PREVENT JOB DISCRIMINATION. SHOW ME WHERE TURKEY HAS HATE CRIME LAWS PROTECTING GAYS LIKE IN THE WEST! GO ON I DARE YOU!

You do realize Turkey is attacking the Armenians again, right? Do you know what the Armenian Genocide was around world war one?

So you just want to spit on their face at the border as they try to seek asylum. That’s so much better.

If the blacks in Haiti centuries ago had the right to rise up against their French colonizers kill them and drive them off to get independence, then yes, Europe has the right to close its borders to Muslims after beheadings, grooming gangs and female circumcision and attempts to get sharia law and multiple terrorists attacks have happened. Europe clearly has enough Muslims. No more. This ties in to why you refuse to hold the real bastards that caused the war and the subsequent refugee crisis responsible and force them to pay with money or housing compensation instead of sticking Europe with the problems when they had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAR IN SYRIA FOR EXAMPLE? WHY SHOULDN'T THE ROCKEFELLERS, THE ROTHSCHILDS, ISRAEL, SAUDI ARABIA, OR CERTAIN CORPORATE CEO'S OF WEAPONS COMPANIES AND DEFENSE CONTRACTORS FIXED THE PROBLEMS THEY CAUSED?

No because not every refugee trying to flee from the shit country is a criminal.

So what? You're still not answering my question about why it's wrong to hold the real people responsible for the problem? Why should European nations take on a problem they never helped create? Why do you let the ones who actually caused this war and refugee problem off the hook? Why do you do that?

I don’t think it’s our duty to take in refugees. I just prefer it. I also am against an out right ban of immigration based on shit logic.

And there we have it. Grooming gangs, female circumcision, incest and genetic defects, and beheading is a worthy sacrifice to find allies for gay causes in the west. Unfucking believable. A lot of gay people would disagree with you. Like that one article I just quoted from pjmedia.

Go on. Explain to me why the CEO’s of companies like Boeing, Kellog Brown and Root, or some Rothschild or Rockefeller bankers, or even the nation of Israel or Saudi Arabi who fund these fucking wars in the first place should NOT house the refugees or pay for their losses? Why make European nations responsible? I dare you to come up with a logical explanation as to letting the true criminals off the hook and make some other non involved nations foot the bill. I double dare you!!!  

Now you’re redirecting the conversation to another strawman

Nope. I'm telling you who the REAL CRIMINALS ARE and why you don't want to punish them and make them pay? I'm asking you why it's Germany's and Sweden's and Finland's and Norway's responsibility to help people fleeing a war that THOSE COUNTRIES NEVER FUNDED OR HELPED START. By letting the criminals off the hook and saying keep the gates of non war waging countries open to fix problems they never caused, YOU ARE IN FACT ARGUING THE WAY I SAY YOU ARE. DUMP THEM IN EUROPE! THAT'S YOUR ACTUAL ARGUMENT NOT A STRAWMAN. HOW DO I KNOW THAT YOU SAYING DUMP THEM OFF IN EUROPE IS NOT A STRAWMAN? BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN TURNING THEM AWAY! YOUR OWN WORDS CONVICT YOU!

So you are lying when you say I just put up a strawman. I made a steel man. Difference. Now stop lying and answer the question.

Go on. Explain to me why the CEO’s of companies like Boeing, Kellog Brown and Root, or some Rothschild or Rockefeller bankers, or even the nation of Israel or Saudi Arabi who fund these fucking wars in the first place should NOT house the refugees or pay for their losses? Why make European nations responsible? I dare you to come up with a logical explanation as to letting the true criminals off the hook and make some other non involved nations foot the bill. I double dare you!!!  

Fuck all this chatter. Ban all religion. We need to focus on the future of the species. Religion holds us all back. 

King Lucem Ferre said
Islam is strictly against rape

 Child marriage is sanctioned in Islam. That counts as rape.

  You’re willing to admit it couldn’t just be one factor except when it’s time to blame Islam. You’re inconsistent. Because you’re arguing in bad faith.

Nice distortion of my position in order to claim "bad faith." You're the one arguing in bad faith because you have claimed for pages that only economic wealth determines rape. Clearly that's not the case. You lose. You lost pages ago.

 

No don’t say it. SHOW ME! SHOW ME THE LAWS IN TURKEY THAT PERMIT ABORTION UP TO AND INCLUDING THREE MONTHS. SHOW ME THE RAPE SHIELD LAWS THAT EXIST IN A LOT OF PLACES IN THE WEST. SHOW ME WHERE GAYS AND ATHEISTS HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THE ACLU TO PREVENT JOB DISCRIMINATION. SHOW ME WHERE TURKEY HAS HATE CRIME LAWS PROTECTING GAYS LIKE IN THE WEST! GO ON I DARE YOU!

You do realize Turkey is attacking the Armenians again, right? Do you know what the Armenian Genocide was around world war one?

You’re still stuck on the strawman that I’m denying Islam creates a shit culture.

Gotta love the flip flop. Islam creates bad culture. Islam doesn't create a bad culture. Oh I know. Bad as in murders atheists and homosexuals but NOT lose on rape. Um, try again. Look at the disproportionate Muslim rape and grooming gangs and how many have taunted their victims in court and shamed how they dressed. Here's Egypt's rape problem. Egypt has a large Muslim population.
https://muslimgirl.com/heres-why-rape-culture-is-a-problem-in-egypt/
Also, Egypt has a female circumcision problem. Islam has carried that to lands that NEVER HAD THAT PROBLEM BEFORE ISLAM CAME! Female circumcision is PART OF ISLAM and so is INCEST! Guess what? INCEST IS IN THE BIBLE. The difference is that we had the European Enlightenment and the Renaissance and the scientific revolution. We realized the need to tame the worst elements of the religious book. ISLAM HASN'T BECOME SECULAR ENOUGH YET. WE SEE IT IN THE STATS OF MUSLIM BEHAVIOUR IN THE WEST AND WE SEE IT IN THE LAWS OF MUSLIM MAJORITY COUNTRIES TO MURDER GAYS AND ATHEISTS! DEATH TO GAYS AND ATHEISTS! THAT'S IN THE KORAN!

And there we have it. Grooming gangs, female circumcision, incest and genetic defects, and beheading is a worthy sacrifice to find allies for gay causes in the west. Unfucking believable.

And the suffering of the majority that isn’t doing those things doesn’t matter to you.

You know what does matter to me? My neighbours in my own country that need help. The aboriginals still get shit and the government in Canada and America falls all over itself to lick Muslim boots. Same in Europe. It's disgusting.

Go on. Explain to me why the CEO’s of companies like Boeing, Kellog Brown and Root, or some Rothschild or Rockefeller bankers, or even the nation of Israel or Saudi Arabi who fund these fucking wars in the first place should NOT house the refugees or pay for their losses? Why make European nations responsible? I dare you to come up with a logical explanation as to letting the true criminals off the hook and make some other non involved nations foot the bill. I double dare you!!!    

I’m not against that. It’s a far better idea.

Great. Then there is no argument.

I find it hilarious how you say Europe should open its borders to victims of war. I then say, "Hey why should Europe become a dumping ground for people running from a war that Europe had nothing to do with?" You then claim strawman. Only in your own twisted world can you claim a strawman as something that is LITERALLY THE SAME THING YOU JUST SAID.

Turkey is far more accepting of the LGBTQ+ community because they are more secular than other Muslim countries too.

Thanks for making the point that Europe is taking Muslim in from the wrong places and has been for a long time.

vinyllover said

King Lucem Ferre said
Islam is strictly against rape

 Child marriage is sanctioned in Islam. That counts as rape.

It actually goes against Shariah law and is condemned in Islam. It happens in some Muslim countries, yeah, but also happens in plenty of other countries to the point where you can't blame Islamic culture.

  You’re willing to admit it couldn’t just be one factor except when it’s time to blame Islam. You’re inconsistent. Because you’re arguing in bad faith.

Nice distortion of my position in order to claim "bad faith." You're the one arguing in bad faith because you have claimed for pages that only economic wealth determines rape. Clearly that's not the case. You lose. You lost pages ago.

Nope. I pointed out that the differences between in the statistics disappear when you control for socio-economic conditions so there for it couldn't be Islam creating a rape culture especially when Islam is strongly against rape. But you don't care because you're arguing in bad faith. That's why you say "win" or "lose".

 

No don’t say it. SHOW ME! SHOW ME THE LAWS IN TURKEY THAT PERMIT ABORTION UP TO AND INCLUDING THREE MONTHS. SHOW ME THE RAPE SHIELD LAWS THAT EXIST IN A LOT OF PLACES IN THE WEST. SHOW ME WHERE GAYS AND ATHEISTS HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THE ACLU TO PREVENT JOB DISCRIMINATION. SHOW ME WHERE TURKEY HAS HATE CRIME LAWS PROTECTING GAYS LIKE IN THE WEST! GO ON I DARE YOU!

You do realize Turkey is attacking the Armenians again, right? Do you know what the Armenian Genocide was around world war one?

You’re still stuck on the strawman that I’m denying Islam creates a shit culture.

Gotta love the flip flop. Islam creates bad culture. Islam doesn't create a bad culture. Oh I know. Bad as in murders atheists and homosexuals but NOT lose on rape. Um, try again. Look at the disproportionate Muslim rape and grooming gangs and how many have taunted their victims in court and shamed how they dressed. Here's Egypt's rape problem. Egypt has a large Muslim population.

I didn't flip flop. I consistently agreed that Islam attributes to a homophobic and misogynistic culture but denied that it cultivates a culture of crime and/or rape in Europe/America.

https://muslimgirl.com/heres-why-rape-culture-is-a-problem-in-egypt/
Also, Egypt has a female circumcision problem. Islam has carried that to lands that NEVER HAD THAT PROBLEM BEFORE ISLAM CAME! Female circumcision is PART OF ISLAM and so is INCEST! Guess what? INCEST IS IN THE BIBLE. The difference is that we had the European Enlightenment and the Renaissance and the scientific revolution. We realized the need to tame the worst elements of the religious book. ISLAM HASN'T BECOME SECULAR ENOUGH YET. WE SEE IT IN THE STATS OF MUSLIM BEHAVIOUR IN THE WEST AND WE SEE IT IN THE LAWS OF MUSLIM MAJORITY COUNTRIES TO MURDER GAYS AND ATHEISTS! DEATH TO GAYS AND ATHEISTS! THAT'S IN THE KORAN!

Incest in Islam is highly contested. Incest with the direct family is forbidden. They marry cousins. For reasons other than their religion. Incest is completely legal in the south though. Female circumcision is also not included in Islam. A lot of Muslim scholars say it's forbidden. It's also not consistent in every Muslim country. Just popular in certain Muslim cultures. And some Christian ones, too. But we don't actually have statistics to really say.

But according to the statistics on Muslim support for homosexuality that Muslims typically move to secular countries to be more secular.

And there we have it. Grooming gangs, female circumcision, incest and genetic defects, and beheading is a worthy sacrifice to find allies for gay causes in the west. Unfucking believable.

And the suffering of the majority that isn’t doing those things doesn’t matter to you.

You know what does matter to me? My neighbours in my own country that need help. The aboriginals still get shit and the government in Canada and America falls all over itself to lick Muslim boots. Same in Europe. It's disgusting.

It's not a dichotomy.

Go on. Explain to me why the CEO’s of companies like Boeing, Kellog Brown and Root, or some Rothschild or Rockefeller bankers, or even the nation of Israel or Saudi Arabi who fund these fucking wars in the first place should NOT house the refugees or pay for their losses? Why make European nations responsible? I dare you to come up with a logical explanation as to letting the true criminals off the hook and make some other non involved nations foot the bill. I double dare you!!!    

I’m not against that. It’s a far better idea.

Great. Then there is no argument.
I find it hilarious how you say Europe should open its borders to victims of war.

I didn't say that. This is the 3rd time I've had to say I'm talking about America.

I then say, "Hey why should Europe become a dumping ground for people running from a war that Europe had nothing to do with?" You then claim strawman. Only in your own twisted world can you claim a strawman as something that is LITERALLY THE SAME THING YOU JUST SAID.

The strawman was saying that I'm against having the corporations that caused these problems to take care of the refugees. Even then, where do they go? To magic corporation land?

I never said anything about who should pay for helping them just that we, the United States, shouldn't close our borders to them.

Turkey is far more accepting of the LGBTQ+ community because they are more secular than other Muslim countries too.

Thanks for making the point that Europe is taking Muslim in from the wrong places and has been for a long time.  

I don't care what Europe does. I think America should let Muslims from any country in especially ones trying to flee the tyranny if Islamic rule. Do I want them to bring that here? No. But we can't vet it and I'd rather give opportunity especially when there is no significant evidence that they will bring that here. And the people that caused these problems should definitely take responsibility. They're partially part of the reason why the Middle East isn't as progressive as it could be. Hard to fight for gay rights when you constantly have to fight American imperialism.

the_patriot_smack said
holy fuck

you two little girlie men enough

just suck each others cock already  

You're just jealous of what we have going on here.

Pigg said
Joe Biden is now OFFICIALLY president elect.

 

And will be president next month.  

King Lucem Ferre said

It actually goes against Shariah law and is condemned in Islam. It happens in some Muslim countries, yeah, but also happens in plenty of other countries to the point where you can’t blame Islamic culture.

Well just for that, promoting another lie, I'm going to make a thread exposing child marriage being sanctioned in Islam. Secondly, the claim that just because others do child marriage elsewhere in the world is NOT a deductive REFUTATION of the claim that it's not  sanctioned in Islam. It's still logically possible for others to do it, but also have it sanctioned in Islam at the same time. Learn what a non sequitor is.

I pointed out that the differences between in the statistics disappear when you control for socio-economic conditions

And you ignored why. So here it is again:

They literally controlled for socio-economic conditions to find that culture makes no difference and you aren’t hearing it because you don’t care because you’re arguing in bad faith.

HAHAHAHA!  HOW DO YOU KNOW? BECAUSE THEY SAID SO WITHOUT PROOF?

If culture makes no difference, GO AND LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE MIDDLE EASTERN MUSLIM COUNTRIES WITH SHARIA LAW AND PROCLAIM THAT ATHEISTS, GAYS AND WOMEN SHOULD HAVE RIGHTS. SEE HOW LONG YOU SURVIVE!

They looked at the native whites in Norway and said, “Hey, they aren’t raping as much, it must be because they have money and stuff. It couldn’t possibly be because of their culture that from an early age they need to respect girls, never hit girls, be nice to girls, listen to girls, fight for abortion rights, call out other men for abuse and rape, etc.”

You’re so full of shit it’s embarrassing. THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES THOSE IMMIGRANTS COME FROM DON’T HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS FOR WOMEN GAYS AND ATHEISTS ENSHRINED IN LAW AS WE DO IN THE WEST. Culture DOES make a difference. Money and having stuff is not the ONLY FACTOR that determines someone’s behavior. It’s the teachings and values pounded into their head as a kid and the correction/punishment parents dish out when little boys mistreat girls or women growing up. You argue culture makes no difference for behavior as one grows up in their formative years when their brain develops centers of morality and retains lessons and develops a conscience…because it sounds nice and warm and multicultural and not so racist and bigoted.

Stop dodging, troll.

I consistently agreed that Islam attributes to a homophobic and misogynistic culture but denied that it cultivates a culture of crime and/or rape in Europe/America.

Nice cherry picking. Sorry, but you're wrong again.

The strawman was saying that I’m against having the corporations that caused these problems to take care of the refugees. Even then, where do they go? To magic corporation land?

How about back to their homes, to have them all rebuilt on the dollar of the corporations? AGAIN, YOU WANT THEM DUMPED OFF IN EUROPE AND PLACES THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE LIKE I SAID YOU DID!

I don’t care what Europe does. I think America should let Muslims from any country in especially ones trying to flee the tyranny if Islamic rule.

gang rapists, those who cut off heads, and circumcise girls in Michigan are victims of Islamic rule. Brilliant.