Most Twizzlers it seemed at the time hated both of those albums Mutant and Heartbroken & Homosexual (good joke)

For Mutant the reaction was that it was just wack compared to Man's Myth because of all the try hard rock songs.

For H&H the reaction was "this is EMO bullshit"

To sum it up as simply as I can because I don't have time to go back and forth explaining everything in depth.

As for the VANS Warped Tour crowd, they are a mixture of alternative rock, skate punk and hardcore scene. Think of your typical stereotype Skater or Surfer guy and what music they generally listen to. The tour is based around the kind of music that appeals to skaters because VANS was one of if not the most popular skate shoe brand back in the 90s.

They are kinda into the "no gimmick" type of rock, music made almost exclusively with guitars and drums.

Blink 182, No FX, Avenged Sevenfold, My Chemical Romance etc etc

And no I have never been to that tour because I think most of that music is gay and I don't like a lot of people who are into that shit because they are boring pretentious douchebags to me.

I like gimmicks, metal and freak shit. Slipkot, Wednesday 13, Rob Zombie, Fear Factory and Korn.

this particular song sounds like a bad attempt at old school, grimy punk rock. But it just didn't work out well.  just don't think that's the genre for them.

I like a lot of their rock songs. I actually dig Magick Spellz, say whatever you want about that. I don't give a shit. I wasn't a huge fan of H&H, it's easily the twiztid album I go back to the least; honestly the album as a whole and everything surrounding it just feels weird to me, it's like it wasn't even really a full album ya know? no real promo for it, no tour, no music videos to support it. They just kinda did it and that was it.

Nah Wednesday 13 is way too much of a weirdo edge lord to be cool for the VANS crowd.

GWAR are desperate whores that will show up anywhere that will book them. I like their stage show but their music is trash.

Anyway I don't blame Twiztid for going after a new fan base seeing as how a fuck load of Juggalos have turned their back on them after they didn't support The March.

Horrorcore won't get them any further success than what they have already achieved so they might as well have a crack at different genres.

I'd prefer them actually try to do some kind of rap/metal, than this rap/rock style.

Prozak has done it well in the past.

Cmon...

Slug Froma 45

9 Dead Bodies

U Wanna Know Sumn

Crib Death

Cross My Heart

Judgement Day

Don't Blame Me.....

The list goes on but Esham already laid out what rap mixed with metal or rock should sound like. 

Oh I was just saying what sounds I like. Don’t mind the new stuff reminds me of the Blitz radio station I’d listen to a lot back in Ohio. 

Theyll catch shit no matter what tho. 

For the record I don't hate these new attempts by Twiztid. In my opinion it's just not aggressive enough...

Rotten J said
They are doing this style very well, it doesn't sound like some pathetic attempt so it's all good. I personally prefer something more heavy (from Converge and The Dillinger Escape Plan to Cryptopsy and The Black Dahlia Murder) or something more experimental (Mike Patton/John Zorn etc.) but these guys still resonate with me. H&H is like the Wraith, even this album finds its way to my playlist sometimes.  

I actually enjoyed H&H more than the majority seemed to but comparing it to the Wraith is just wrong lol completely different records

H&H does have some of Twiztid's strongest tracks on there and I dig the experimental thing they were going for just think there's quite a few misses on there as well and songs that are just kind of boring

mentalcaseproject said
comparing it to the Wraith is just wrong lol completely different records

Yeah sure they're different. I mean for me the Wraith is the worst ICP record... well Missing Link (both) might take the prize finally. But still I can listen to those records sometimes.