Radam said
1. The reason why labels don't give away their masters is because there is money to be made from them.

2. If Twiztid wanted to release those albums on MNE they could of paid Psychopathic for the license to print them up.

3. Just like Psychopathic had to pay DefJam for the Great Milenko and Jeckel Bros albums etc so they could release The First Six Boxset.

4. Psychopathic paid Twiztid up front to make those albums knowing full well the masters and rights to those songs would ultimately be owned by Psychopathic.

And the 17%er Violent J dickrider introduces himself. And COMPLETELY ignores my questions.

1. Again, ICP failed to keep Twiztid albums in print. They didn't do shit with them. The masters that Twiztid has now from Psychopathic (Freekshow, Green Book, WICKED, Abominationz), were the ones that ICP ran out of and DIDN'T put back in print. So I will ask again, WHY SHOULD TWIZTID LET THEIR ALBUMS DIE ON PSYCHOPATHIC RECORDS? Christ, this would make it TWO TIMES that ICP ran out of physical copies of Abominationz since they didn't print enough cds for the first round. WHY SHOULD TWIZTID BE OKAY WITH THAT?

2. Why the fuck should they pay ICP anything for vinyl re-releases when ICP failed to keep Twiztid product out there which HELPS GAIN NEW FANS AND GROW THE FAN BASE? WHY SHOULD TWIZTID LET ICP HOLD THEIR FUTURE GROWTH HOSTAGE?

3. So what? So what? So what? DefJam Island were KEEPING THOSE ICP CD'S IN STORES FOR YEARS right up to the moment of the special box set. ICP FAILED TO DO THAT FOR TWIZTID. They failed to keep physical copies alive. Why are you comparing apples and oranges?

4. Psychopathic also fucked Twiztid out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. Did you not watch the monoxide stream? Once again, why does ICP get to fuck Twiztid out of money and not keep their albums in circulation and Twiztid has to put up with it? Why do I and many others who still by physical media have to sit back and watch Psychopathic fuck up and accept it? Why don't artists have the right to bargain and rescue their work when it BASICALLY DOESN'T EXIST IN STORES ANYMORE? I know damn well you wouldn't tell ICP to sit back and take it if Defjam Island was failing to keep their cds in stores. SO WHY THE HATRED AND DOUBLE STANDARD FOR TWIZTID? Why should Twiztid let their best albums die on a label that obviously is unable or unwilling to keep product out there to help generate new Twiztid fans and put money in their pocket?

Basically what you're saying is that if Violent J doesn't need physical Twiztid albums to make money and he doesn't give a fuck, Twiztid should just put up with it. Give your head a shake!!!

T.O. said

I mean yeah, obviously. But I guess asking for the "reason" was kinda misleading because of course they'd want to keep them because they might still make money off of them. More precisely, though, the point is, why were people acting so outraged over Twiztid trying to get their masters? Of course they would want their masters. And J didn't even say "I feel like playing a gig like the Gathering doesn't cover the price for a master" or anything, he seemed to state categorically "a label does not give away their masters". So again, why the outrage? Like vinyllover said, usually people applaud artists that have been able to get all the rights to their music (seeing as they created it), but in this case it's seen as some big betrayal.  

people were acting outraged because violent J told them to be outraged about it. Pure and simple. all there is to it. "BUT DUH MASTERS!". bullshit. You don't actually care about that. Most of the people acting offending about that don't even know what ownership of masters means for a business.

J didn't say why he wanted to keep the masters because doing that would hurt the image he's trying to portray; it's all about control. As long as PSY owns the masters, they can do whatever they want with them. they can force twiztid to pay as much or as little as they want for printing rights to their own music. Twiztid didn't ask for money, they asked for the one thing they knew would bruise J's ego the most, they asked for control of their own shit.

People aren't applauding twiztid for owning their own music because most of these cunts treat "juggalo family" more like a cult than an actual family.

Fam uh lee

Fam uh lee 

Fam uh lee

SO ON THE DARK LOTUS TOUR 

VIOLENT HAD TO PUNK OUT MONO

APPRENTLY MONO WAS DANCING UP ON SOME CHIC AND SINGING "MY NAME IS SLIM ANUS" TO VIOLENT J

THEN J AND SHAGGY PUT THE BEAT DOWN ON TWIZZLER

THUS CAUSING THEM TO LEAVE THE LABEL THE FIRST TIME,

VERY INTERESTING ACCORDING TO MONO

Old Mr Dangerous said
Whenever someone gets fucked up in a fistfight, it was ALWAYS a "suckerpunch". Because Joe Bruce is such a bitch that he is incapable of throwing a "real man's calculated and honorable punch" like Paul Methric would've done in that situation, right? 

idk.. he still acts like a virgin.. a suckerpunch definitely seems like a move someone who's a lil girl about pussy would do..

We tried to get everyone signed eminem rittz hopsin led zepplin pink floyd tupac michael jackson and Andy milinakis but J simply replied fuck offff

Meh I'm over this been over this. Pre ordered FFF got Generation Nightmare pre ordered. Went to see Shaggy's tour went to AXE is Family Tour went to SXSW Acoustic ICP show going to the upcoming Twiztid tour.

Whoop Whoop MCL

Bonesaw Wizardstick said

I thought about that, too.  I got all of Twiztid's albums while they were still in print through Psychopathic, so why would I give a fuck who owns them now?  The only exception I can think of is that they obviously got their hands on Mutant, and they released a new remixed and remastered version of it that was really good.  But otherwise, it's just them continuing to sell the same albums with alternate covers basically.  Speaking on it as payment for performing GOTJ, J did mention that Twiztid gave them a astronomic(on)ally high quote to perform if they were going to do it for cash.  It's very clearly a control thing.  "Yea, we're not doing anything with them, but you can't either as long as we own them" type thing.

Looking at how they do things now, it doesn't seem like they are doing any of this to their current roster.  Definitely not Ouija.  Hoodoo has "Ear Drug Music," and Lyte just launched his own webstore which doesn't sport the hatchetman on it.  And Killa has been doing his own thing for almost a decade.  And as far as how MNE runs things, I haven't seen even a slight complaint from any of their artists yet.  

I think this is just the new format. Debut project on Psychopathic than they're off on their own to make more money doing it themselves. Ouija Macc with Rotten Cake, Big Hoodoo with Ear Drug Musick, Lyte with Monstar and of course ABK first with Native World seems like they're doing it this way to avoid another epic fallout with  someone they sign.

Hypnotized Ninja said

I think this is just the new format. Debut project on Psychopathic than they're off on their own to make more money doing it themselves. Ouija Macc with Rotten Cake, Big Hoodoo with Ear Drug Musick, Lyte with Monstar and of course ABK first with Native World seems like they're doing it this way to avoid another epic fallout with  someone they sign.  

And that's cool, I feel. Giving these artists the clout and notoriety from the association with the Clowns and the Psy label. I think that in itself if noteworthy. Lots of yall would give a lot for that exposure and opportunity.  

Here is a fact: people don't make decent livings off of album sales. Most of yall know that, but it bears repeating here. This is not the same occupation as it was in the 1990's. As Monoxide did say in the podcast, however, was that you could still do well financially even if your label runner's are "ripping you off" of hundreds of thousands of dollars through the years. So it's not completely unprofitable. But there is a lot of grind work. 

Icp put in a lot of that. Twiztid got an easier start after their early HOK days onto PSY. But they still seemed to be doing lots of work. It is a lot more "labor intensive" these days. 

The face paint phenomenon is no random fad. There is an unspoken knowledge that people have to have some sort of gimmick or at least a way to draw attention away from the constant information blasts that our brains receive from our phones and shit every day.

Back in the 70's, in an alternate universe where speed metal was in the mainstream counterculture world, Slipknot wouldn't have had to wear masks to achieve. They're that talented and original-sounding that they would've been all over the radio and shit.

wicket_juan said
The Duke of the Wicked Shit is actually The Diva of the Wicked Shit!  

Ah well.. at least he entertains us all. And sneaks some decent philosophies in there now and again.