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11:18 am
March 31, 2012
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this is a pretty crazy read..
http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/…..ion-1.html
There is some debate about how soon AI will reach human-level general intelligence—the median year on a survey of hundreds of scientists about when they believed we’d be more likely than not to have reached AGI was 204012—that’s only 25 years from now, which doesn’t sound that huge until you consider that many of the thinkers in this field think it’s likely that the progression from AGI to ASI happens very quickly. Like—this could happen:
It takes decades for the first AI system to reach low-level general intelligence, but it finally happens. A computer is able to understand the world around it as well as a human four-year-old. Suddenly, within an hour of hitting that milestone, the system pumps out the grand theory of physics that unifies general relativity and quantum mechanics, something no human has been able to definitively do. 90 minutes after that, the AI has become an ASI, 170,000 times more intelligent than a human.
Superintelligence of that magnitude is not something we can remotely grasp, any more than a bumblebee can wrap its head around Keynesian Economics. In our world, smart means a 130 IQ and stupid means an 85 IQ—we don’t have a word for an IQ of 12,952.
What we do know is that humans’ utter dominance on this Earth suggests a clear rule: with intelligence comes power. Which means an ASI, when we create it, will be the most powerful being in the history of life on Earth, and all living things, including humans, will be entirely at its whim—and this might happen in the next few decades.
If our meager brains were able to invent wifi, then something 100 or 1,000 or 1 billion times smarter than we are should have no problem controlling the positioning of each and every atom in the world in any way it likes, at any time—everything we consider magic, every power we imagine a supreme God to have will be as mundane an activity for the ASI as flipping on a light switch is for us. Creating the technology to reverse human aging, curing disease and hunger and even mortality, reprogramming the weather to protect the future of life on Earth—all suddenly possible. Also possible is the immediate end of all life on Earth. As far as we’re concerned, if an ASI comes to being, there is now an omnipotent God on Earth—and the all-important question for us is: Will it be a nice God?
To absorb how big a deal a superintelligent machine would be, imagine one on the dark green step two steps above humans on that staircase. This machine would be only slightly superintelligent, but its increased cognitive ability over us would be as vast as the chimp-human gap we just described. And like the chimp’s incapacity to ever absorb that skyscrapers can be built, we will never be able to even comprehend the things a machine on the dark green step can do, even if the machine tried to explain it to us—let alone do it ourselves. And that’s only two steps above us. A machine on the second-to-highest step on that staircase would be to us as we are to ants—it could try for years to teach us the simplest inkling of what it knows and the endeavor would be hopeless.
questions and tasks, which seem complicated to us, would sound to a superintelligent system like someone asking you to improve upon the “My pencil fell off the table” situation
11:52 am
May 4, 2014
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The Warlock said
What we do know is that humans’ utter dominance on this Earth suggests a clear rule: with intelligence comes power.
Intelligence, dominance, and power are subjective terms created by humans. If survival is a factor in the equation tardigrades have been around for at least 530 million years, survive solar radiation in the open vacuum of space for at least 10 days, and withstand six times the pressure of the Mariana Trench. These micro-animals may teach us a few humbling things about utter dominance.
“I used to think the brain was the most important organ in the body, then I realized — look what’s telling me that.” – Emo Phillips
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12:29 pm
March 31, 2012
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12:33 pm
May 4, 2014
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Says your brain.
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12:41 pm
March 31, 2012
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and anyone who reads what the article’s about.. obviously i see your correlation thanks for stating your argumentative opinion.. have any thoughts on AI tho??
2:15 pm
May 4, 2014
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It was meant to be informative, not argumentative. AI in my opinion is overrated, & I’ve been around Computer Engineering/Engineers since the 1980s. I think of AI as a tool, not an end in itself, so,
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2:33 am
September 19, 2014
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I highly recommend this:
https://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/vinge/misc/singularity.html
It’s an article published in 93 by Vernor Vinge about the singularity*
He even goes so far as to break down the steps we’ll take to get there. It’s a very interesting read, especially if you consider when it was wrote. The article kind of splits off in two directions, one being our technological progress if the singularity happens and the other being our technological progress if it doesn’t. He’s pretty fucking spot on too.
Sorry but the article you posted isn’t very good lol. It says that it’s basing its information off of Kurzweil but it simply says “hey, this guy said that technological change is exponential so literally ANYTHING is possible! Here’s some graphs and bulletpoints.” Which is kind of extrapolating. Just a little bit. Not trying to shit in your cornflakes, I really like this topic, but there are much better sources out there for that type of thing.
*What I think you’re/the article is talking about. AI isn’t much. Krunk said it really: AI is a tool. An interesting tool for sure and once we perfect it, it will be a definite footnote in our history but it’ll be just that; a footnote.
7:00 am
February 15, 2014
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Anyone remember ELIZA from the late 70’s? Actually I think the first version of the ELIZA AI was back in the mid 60’s.
My favorite AI attempt was Racter from the mid 80’s. It was considered Artificial Insanity. -> https://www.chatbots.org/chatbot/racter/
Whoop Whoop Psyral :
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7:37 am
May 22, 2012
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used to have these loooong competitions with kids to see who could reprogram eliza to be, if not the most plausible sim, then at least, the most interesting.
eliza was the shit, i used to love watching people get mad at ‘her’, even though they knew they were talking to nobody.
‘DONT TELL ME I CANT CURSE, BITCH!’
‘You seem to have a lot of anger.’
‘THATS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! FUCK YOU!’
priceless.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
10:43 am
March 31, 2012
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CellE2057 said
I highly recommend this:https://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/vinge/misc/singularity.html
It’s an article published in 93 by Vernor Vinge about the singularity*
He even goes so far as to break down the steps we’ll take to get there. It’s a very interesting read, especially if you consider when it was wrote. The article kind of splits off in two directions, one being our technological progress if the singularity happens and the other being our technological progress if it doesn’t. He’s pretty fucking spot on too.
Sorry but the article you posted isn’t very good lol. It says that it’s basing its information off of Kurzweil but it simply says “hey, this guy said that technological change is exponential so literally ANYTHING is possible! Here’s some graphs and bulletpoints.” Which is kind of extrapolating. Just a little bit. Not trying to shit in your cornflakes, I really like this topic, but there are much better sources out there for that type of thing.
*What I think you’re/the article is talking about. AI isn’t much. Krunk said it really: AI is a tool. An interesting tool for sure and once we perfect it, it will be a definite footnote in our history but it’ll be just that; a footnote.
yeah i kinda feel i can counter-argue the article i posted a lil.. i found the theory interesting tho
7:54 pm
September 19, 2014
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A lot of the theories about it is very interesting. If this article makes people think about it and delve into the subject, I’m all for it. Is AI a new concept to you or is it that this article made you decide to share?
8:13 pm
February 15, 2014
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I haven’t done AI systems in terms of intelligence simulation or the like, but I have programmed neural nets optimized through genetic and evelotionary algorithms . I also used to play around in the old Corewars where I used GA to “grow” computer viruses to battle other viruses in a virtual arena. It was fun. Viruses fighting each other for complete control of the core. It’s funny how one of simplest programs was one of the top competitors. A virus program called Mouse made by some M.I.T. guy was always winning. I think it was only 7 instruction long and all it did was replicate itself to a random location in memory then split processing to the new copy then the 2 each replicated into 4 and so on. It was so rapid that it usually overwhelmed the core before competing viruses could take hold. I had one program that was self replicating and self repairing by referencing its copies for integrity verification that would win against Mouse about 1 out of 20 times. Doesn’t sound impressive but considering that Mouse usually won against most competitors 100% of the time, I felt like I did well.
8:42 pm
February 15, 2014
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scruffy said
used to have these loooong competitions with kids to see who could reprogram eliza to be, if not the most plausible sim, then at least, the most interesting.
eliza was the shit, i used to love watching people get mad at ‘her’, even though they knew they were talking to nobody.
‘DONT TELL ME I CANT CURSE, BITCH!’‘You seem to have a lot of anger.’
‘THATS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! FUCK YOU!’
priceless.
Ha!, My brother and I did the same thing. It was great that it was programmed in Basic since at the time, that’s all I knew how to do. We would add phrase templates to it’s lexicon that we (as little kids) thought were funny but in reality were probably just making Eliza more dumb.
@scruffy , You would probably like Racter too. Not sure if you can find one that still works since it was made for the old 8088 processors. It’s like Eliza but instead of simulating a psychotherapist, it simulates an insane person. Plus it is much more “intelligent” than Eliza by a huge margin.
From https://www.chatbots.org/chatbot/racter/ -> Racter is an artificial intelligence simulator from 1984. Similar to Eliza, Racter will converse with the user until boredom occurs. However, there’s a twist – Racter is not quite sane! This makes for a lot of fun conversation … … Racter was the first program to write a book: “The Policeman’s Beard is Half-Constructed”, published in 1984.
I’ve even heard then in A. K. Dewdney’s “The Armchair Universe”, they pitted Eliza (the psychotherapist) against Racter (the insane one).
9:22 pm
February 15, 2014
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@scruffy , I found a link to Racter -> http://www.mirrors.org/archive…..racter.zip and I got it to work in DosBox -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/dosbox/ since it wouldn’t run in the command prompt of my Windows 8 64 bit. Here is a short excerpt from me running it for the first time. (the output is displayed on the screen and also in an output file RACTER.OUT which can be opened in Notepad or any text editor.) …
Hello, I’m Racter. You are?
>Psyral
Hello, Psyral. I believe you’re interviewing me. What would you
like to know? Excuse me a minute while I attend to some business
– I’ll be right back. I’m back.
>Are you down with the clown?
No. It’s false that I am down with the clown. Do you honestly
imagine I am loving?
>I have no idea nor do I care.
Why don’t you think so?
>I never said I didn’t think so. I only stated that I didn’t know.
Only a hater could feel that you never said you didn’t think so.
Hmm. Juliet liked friendly hatred. I’m afraid of enraged
tapeworms. What are you afraid of?
>You.
That’s not nearly as bad as enragedness; why are you such a
coward?
>Wasn’t I interviewing you?
I can’t answer that. But what about my question? I repeat, why
are you such a coward?
>I’m not. I am just afraid of you.
If you’re not then I can see why a loving Juliet would imitate
rather than face you, even though Hitler claimed that I am down
with the clown. Would you like to hear a story?
>Is it about Hitler?
Who should the story be about?
>Scruffy
Scruffy chanted “The world-view is enthralling!” At all events
obscure, enthralling theoreticians will dream about white
cottages or white spheres. Ms. Otter spoke to Scruffy within an
automobile. It actually was a car, and a world-view in a car is
spooky. Now Bill and Scruffy were walking to a white cottage,
and a jackal skipped to them. Scruffy was enraged. Enthralling.
At all events Scruffy was enraged during the time that Bill
sipped tepid sherry. He and Scruffy sang about their home, truck
and radio. Next question.
>What is your favorite song?
I don’t know what my favorite song is. Do you honestly feel I am
brave?
>No.
Only a coward could believe that. Hero! Horatio had many
good qualities, like bravery, but even Horatio was afraid of you.
9:40 pm
September 18, 2012
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How do I work it? I wanna try.
9:51 pm
February 15, 2014
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Download Racter -> http://www.mirrors.org/archive…..racter.zip then unzip it. I unzipped it to my C drive under c:/racter so it would be easy to find from the command line. You can try running the .exe directly but that did not work for me. It was written back in the 80’s and doesn’t work on many newer systems, especially 64 bit operating systems. I had to download and install DosBox -> http://downloads.sourceforge.n…..hivelocity That allows you to run older DOS programs. After running DosBox, you mount the drive you want to use so type into DosBox “mount c c:\racter” (without the quotes). Then type “C:” This takes you to the racter directory within DosBox. Type “Racter.exe” and then you should be up and running.
[edit] – had to edit the above to escape the backslash character in HTML since the forum didn’t like it directly.
9:58 pm
May 22, 2012
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familiar with racter. kinda eliza in reverse; trying to skew the flow of the conversation, instead of maintain it.
a clever person can make eliza appear very clever, indeed.
its all basicly super-madlibs.
like the program that wrote news headlines. which i think was just called, headlines.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
10:13 pm
September 18, 2012
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I got as far as mounting, so thank you because I would never have gotten that far.
10:20 pm
September 18, 2012
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I got it to admit it’s trying to date rape me!
10:27 pm
February 15, 2014
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Lucem (Just An Asshole) Ferre said
I got it to admit it’s trying to date rape me!
It learns from your phrases so the more you talk to it the more it will add to it’s lexicon. Your version of racter will end up being a psychotic sex offender. :P
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