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May 6, 2016
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So I can not sleep tonight although I have to work in 5 hours . Today I counseled a 13 year old boy who was the victim of both physical and sexual abuse by his father who is now in prison. This young man lacks confidence and is still a very confused child. Although the incident happened 3 years ago it is affecting him so much that now he doesn’t have the nerve to ask a young lady to a dance or even knows if a girl would like him cause he is “tainted”. The kid is smart and has no mental or physical handicap other then the abuse. I have decided that I am going to try and help the kid out somehow. 

I have talked to the parents of the girl and she told her parents she liked him so. . . I was thinking next session we would order some flowers and a card to go with it on the phone asking her to the dance. And then I would provide his mother with the money needed for a suit rental. 

As a therapist I can only get so involved but do you guys feel this is overstepping as long as the parents are cool with it? I was raised by a single mother most my life and I know how financially difficult things can get.

I feel this kid needs a confidence boost and as I can not meet with clients outside of business because I need to keep some professionalism this is the best solution I could think of.

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May 6, 2016
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Hes 13 im no therapist but i didnt go to any dances till like sixteen ,kid should be a kid seems like your already involved a lil much playing match maker not sayin i wouldnt of like to goto a dance with a chick at thirteen but id rather be playing golden eye back then 

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Hes 13 im no therapist but i didnt go to any dances till like sixteen ,kid should be a kid seems like your already involved a lil much playing match maker not sayin i wouldnt of like to goto a dance with a chick at thirteen but id rather be playing golden eye back then 

Yeah times have changed a bit they have jr high prom now lol. 

But yeah maybe I should let him and his mom figure it out.

May 6, 2016
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Hes 13 im no therapist but i didnt go to any dances till like sixteen ,kid should be a kid seems like your already involved a lil much playing match maker not sayin i wouldnt of like to goto a dance with a chick at thirteen but id rather be playing golden eye back then 

While u are rite in a general sense, this kid is individually different now that he has been exposed to some sick corrupt shit. He now knows whut pure evil is. Thats definitely confusin for this poor soul especially durin an already confusing part of life. He should be in child state of mind still, his questions about people(adults) are more advanced than the others in his age range. He definitely needs a confidence boost otherwise he will go down the dark rabbit hole into depression. Its not like nyro is puttin an earpiece in the kids ear and guidin him thru the date, he just givin a helping hand by setting up a fail proof plan.

May 6, 2016
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The idea is more financial. The reason I called the girls parents was for security reasons. Sometimes sexually abused kids get attached so I was making sure the kids liked eachother and it wasn’t a weird stalker issue on his part.

The mom has two boys and works at Wally world so the money for the dance is the big issue. This is one of my pro bono cases I do. I just want some opinions also more then open to better ideas.

The kids want to go. The boy lacks confidence and his mom lacks money. I of course can not take the kid shopping as it would be unprofessional but I thought maybe handing his mom some money and saying that I wanted him to be able to go to the dance with his classmates and have something nice to wear as well as have a fighting chance to impress his crush. 

This is just weighing on me heavily. As a therapist I need to stay as professional as possible but as a human being I feel this kid that has zero after school activities needs this more then any other kid to boost his confidence, social skills and trust.

May 6, 2016
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It’s not overstepping and he will remember your kindness for the rest of his life. It’s gonna be a rough one for him. It’s really good that he is talking about what happened now as opposed to holding it all in for years at a time. There is hope.

 

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May 6, 2016
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When I was 13, I would make money doing things like mowing peoples lawns and stuff. If I wanted to do something or wanted something, I had to work for it. This was back in the early 80’s so I don’t know if people still do stuff like that anymore. I have no clue if people growing up today work for anything or just get handed everything they need.

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I don’t know what the laws are in your state or what training/degree you have (I know that religious mentors, for example, don’t need to and don’t follow the same laws as other types of therapists) but that’s something you should probably consider if you haven’t already.  A licensed psychologist would not be acting appropriately by doing those things, BUT a more of a mentor type figure would be well within the law to do that, and it would be a nice thing to do.  Honestly, I’m a bit concerned that you’re putting details on an online forum that anyone could read.  Even the helplines that I work for, we’re not aloud to tell anyone details of the calls, even without giving away identifying information.  It’s great that you’re helping this kid and it seems like you do a lot of important work in your life, and I can imagine how hard it is to want to be able to help these kids on a personal level.  However, depending on what type of degree you have, I think you need to remain professional.  Ultimately, the structure of a professional relationship can be more beneficial to kids like that.  Plus, you could be legally required to keep it professional.  

(My two cents…again, I don’t know what the laws are in your area, but mentioning to his mom that you know this prom is coming up and so you’re giving them a discount on sessions is probably fine… handing mom money probably isn’t.)

edit…just noticed that you previously said this is one of your pro bono cases, so never mind on that last part. 

May 6, 2016
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Nyro said
So I can not sleep tonight although I have to work in 5 hours . Today I counseled a 13 year old boy who was the victim of both physical and sexual abuse by his father who is now in prison. This young man lacks confidence and is still a very confused child. Although the incident happened 3 years ago it is affecting him so much that now he doesn’t have the nerve to ask a young lady to a dance or even knows if a girl would like him cause he is “tainted”. The kid is smart and has no mental or physical handicap other then the abuse. I have decided that I am going to try and help the kid out somehow. 

I have talked to the parents of the girl and she told her parents she liked him so. . . I was thinking next session we would order some flowers and a card to go with it on the phone asking her to the dance. And then I would provide his mother with the money needed for a suit rental. 

As a therapist I can only get so involved but do you guys feel this is overstepping as long as the parents are cool with it? I was raised by a single mother most my life and I know how financially difficult things can get.

I feel this kid needs a confidence boost and as I can not meet with clients outside of business because I need to keep some professionalism this is the best solution I could think of.

Well?

Playing God can be dangerous. Here’s the link to the

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Code of Ethics.

https://www.aamft.org/iMIS15/AAMFT/Content/legal_ethics/code_of_ethics.aspx

Maybe consider their part about gifts:

3.9 Gifts.

Marriage and family therapists attend to cultural norms when considering whether to accept gifts from or give gifts to clients. Marriage and family therapists consider the potential effects that receiving or giving gifts may have on clients and on the integrity and efficacy of the therapeutic relationship.”

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May 6, 2016
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Psyral Infection said
When I was 13, I would make money doing things like mowing peoples lawns and stuff. If I wanted to do something or wanted something, I had to work for it. This was back in the early 80’s so I don’t know if people still do stuff like that anymore. I have no clue if people growing up today work for anything or just get handed everything they need.

Same with me growing up. I don’t think this kid has the confidence to approach strangers about their lawn although it would be a good exercise to make him socialize. Doubt they own a mower living in government housing. I bet his mother makes maybe 1K a month or so. He probably does have chores however once again I am not sure. This is probably a bottom 20% family. Two boys, one mom and about 1K a month to live on. Dads in prison so no child support. I bet they get some help with food of course.

Just not sure, that’s a hard one but actually a terrific idea also.

May 6, 2016
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Nyro said
So I can not sleep tonight although I have to work in 5 hours . Today I counseled a 13 year old boy who was the victim of both physical and sexual abuse by his father who is now in prison. This young man lacks confidence and is still a very confused child. Although the incident happened 3 years ago it is affecting him so much that now he doesn’t have the nerve to ask a young lady to a dance or even knows if a girl would like him cause he is “tainted”. The kid is smart and has no mental or physical handicap other then the abuse. I have decided that I am going to try and help the kid out somehow. 

I have talked to the parents of the girl and she told her parents she liked him so. . . I was thinking next session we would order some flowers and a card to go with it on the phone asking her to the dance. And then I would provide his mother with the money needed for a suit rental. 

As a therapist I can only get so involved but do you guys feel this is overstepping as long as the parents are cool with it? I was raised by a single mother most my life and I know how financially difficult things can get.

I feel this kid needs a confidence boost and as I can not meet with clients outside of business because I need to keep some professionalism this is the best solution I could think of.

Well?

Playing God can be dangerous. Here’s the link to the

AAMFT.pngImage Enlarger

Code of Ethics.

https://www.aamft.org/iMIS15/AAMFT/Content/legal_ethics/code_of_ethics.aspx

Maybe consider their part about gifts:

3.9 Gifts.

Marriage and family therapists attend to cultural norms when considering whether to accept gifts from or give gifts to clients. Marriage and family therapists consider the potential effects that receiving or giving gifts may have on clients and on the integrity and efficacy of the therapeutic relationship.”

Good guidelines although being a religious based practice not exactly the same as we don’t use the aamft system and have our own in house state certified guidelines. Which basically says the same stuff.

However with a child in this specific situation who hates men, is it better to try and prove you give a shit or just be the weird guy he has to talk to like an adult once a week because mommy says so?

I do hear you though and the guidelines are great but not defined well enough to say good or bad either way.

May 6, 2016
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Nyro said 
Good guidelines although being a religious based practice not exactly the same as we don’t use the aamft system and have our own in house state certified guidelines. Which basically says the same stuff.

However with a child in this specific situation who hates men, is it better to try and prove you give a shit or just be the weird guy he has to talk to like an adult once a week because mommy says so?

I do hear you though and the guidelines are great but not defined well enough to say good or bad either way.

Ultimately your decision. Maybe consider not only how it will affect your client & his family, but you as well. Do you really want to start down the road of financial involvement with clients?

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krunkazphuk said

Nyro said 
Good guidelines although being a religious based practice not exactly the same as we don’t use the aamft system and have our own in house state certified guidelines. Which basically says the same stuff.

However with a child in this specific situation who hates men, is it better to try and prove you give a shit or just be the weird guy he has to talk to like an adult once a week because mommy says so?

I do hear you though and the guidelines are great but not defined well enough to say good or bad either way.

Ultimately your decision. Maybe consider not only how it will affect your client & his family, but you as well. Do you really want to start down the road of financial involvement with clients?

Truth is no, not because of money. I could care less as I am not a materialistic person but because I don’t want people to know I gave them something. I would love a way to do it anonymously. 

The thing is my job is to help victims accept and cope with what happened to them so they can try to live normal lives. This kid has already done that before he even came to me. His worst issue is his social awkwardness in my opinion. Honestly for me this hits home naturally but I appreciate everyone’s input you guys are great.

@JC don’t work like that buddy. Therapists are humans and we seek outside opinions a lot actually. The important thing is to not use their real names and other forms of identifying info. That’s called “after degree training” lol. Or in real world terms getting a second opinion. All hard choices should be discussed with unbiased parties in my opinion.

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Nyro said 
Truth is no, not because of money. I could care less as I am not a materialistic person but because I don’t want people to know I gave them something. I would love a way to do it anonymously…
 

Heisenberg figured out a way on Breaking Bad. Cultivating a client’s independence may be a better way to develop their confidence, as opposed to giving them a handout. Martial Arts classes might help your client heal.

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May 6, 2016
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Maybe build him up so he can do it himself. While never letting go the fact she can say no and its ok. 

Completing this would probably boost his ego and make him feel more normal. And he will know u were there.

And dont do anything ur 100 % about.

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I decided to not do the flower thing. However my wife went around me and gave the priest the money so he could say it was a donation from the church when he sees them next Sunday service.

I am going to work on building up his confidence and suggest he get involved in some activities.

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