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Experimental Artist Creation (Give Me Your Input!)
March 2, 2013
10:32 pm
VoiceNameless
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       Whats good everybody? I had an idea and figured I'd come to the boards with it. Regardless of whether you're a musician in any way or just an enthusiastic fan of music in general, I want your honest input! Hope to get a lot of serious answers from all walks and not too many assholes =)

       If you were able to build an emcee from scratch, what necessary traits / characteristics would they have to possess in order to catch your attention and really turn you into a supportive fan? Dig deep (use artists you already enjoy as references if you wish or maybe pull from your own experiences as a musician or other talent in the industry) and really try to flesh out every possible aspect of your preference.

       List things including personality (Aggressiveness, chilled out, politically driven, confidence, arrogance, well rounded?), content you would (and wouldn't) care to hear in their music, how you'd like to be approached when it comes to merchandising (Do you enjoy having a large variety of the same types of items [T-Shirts, Posters, etc] to choose from? Do you mind over-saturation of branding [key chains, lighters, office supplies, etc] on products? Online purchase over in-store purchase? Physical copies over digital downloads or both? Exclusive items? And so on), what kind of stage presence / show performance (Enormous get up with shit like props & pyrotechnics, high energy projection or chill mellow atmosphere, acting & skits, choreographed dance, minimum/moderate/high crowd interaction?) do you prefer to see, Touring, Public Relations (how they handle themselves in interviews, on TV, to their fans, in the studio, etc), and anything else your minds can conjure up here! Be creative and honest with your insight, but most importantly have fun rummaging through your brain coming up with your ideal emcee.

 

Much Love!

March 2, 2013
11:11 pm
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im not sure if i can answer this without bein an asshole. 

as a practical matter, i wouldnt.  plenty of record labels have done exactly that, and i dont see how its been any help to me, the consumer. 

as a hypothetical, i still wouldnt, id just wait for something i like to come along, and roll with that. 

as a personal matter, id go with myself as the ideal example.  id act like me, do things that i would do.  relate to people according to how i normally relate to them. 

whats the, uh, motive, here?  the goal, if you will? 

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

March 2, 2013
11:24 pm
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I’m puzzled as to why anyone would want to sit down and think up their ideal artist. I’m even more puzzled as to why someone would want other people to do it. To what end? The artist won’t exist, neither will their label or music relations people. This is absolutely ridiculous, let’s figure this all out to get disappointed, because our ideal artist doesn’t exist. This is taking let’s pretend time to a whole new level of stupid. What’s tomorrow, plan your imaginary artists imaginary tour? Should we have imaginary opening acts? Imaginary stage sets? Oh, wherever shall I envision the imaginary merch booth? I wonder what the imaginary tour bus will look like? I’m sorry man, but this question is flat out retarded. In all the time you took to envision and type up this thread, you could have easily built a sick lego castle or something. And when all was said and done, it would actually exist. It would be pointless, sure, but that seems to be your thing so maybe you should just roll with it. You say you don’t want assholes, but you’re aware that this is faygoluvers right? I’m going to go play let’s pretend voicenameless jumps off a bridge. A tall one.

March 2, 2013
11:31 pm
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very dope thread yo.. id like to build a female emcee ive tried to build males ones but they were/are never that into progeressing their craft as much as they should be… hmmm i thought you meant like actually putting in the work ourselves like in real life haha basically id just want a chick with above average looks & a decent voice who i could school into being dooooope haha like e said “its that e-s-h-a-m lookin for my lil kim” haha

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March 2, 2013
11:36 pm
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You can’t even school yourself into being dope, go back under your staircase you fuckin tool.

March 2, 2013
11:45 pm
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Maybe your male emcee’s realized their “Mentor” at the end of the day couldn’t rap for shit and used way more o’s in certain words than any normal person would and decided to jump ship. Basically, you’re looking for a female emcee to fuck you. All any rapper could learn from you is that practice does not in fact make perfect. Or decent. Or you can believe they weren’t up to mastering their “Craft.” Up to you, whatever helps you sleep at night Potter.

March 3, 2013
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patjoyce said:

whatever helps you sleep at night Potter.

lol same to you & your lil delusions..

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March 3, 2013
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Other than the obvious good flow, great delivery, perfect word painting and superb lyrical ability I'd say this.

Uniqueness, a unique voice that isn't too bizarre. A unique way of saying things. Something that stands out.

Real shit, the best songs are real shit, even if there is a gimmick try to make it a metaphor for real shit.

Put on a show during live performances, make it so it's almost like we are watching a play with out actually turning it into a play.

I guess really you can't make the perfect artist, the artist has to do what they feel and hopefully other people will love it too.

March 3, 2013
12:24 am
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My delusions about what? I can’t rap, never said I could. Look Harry, we have something in common!! You should really look into going back to school, you can actually have a career making REAL money doing something that you’re good at. Or you can make mixtapes on your Fisher Price My First ‘Corder that nobody wants to download. You should at least print them up if you’re going to try and rap from now on, at least then people can use the cases to fix wobbly chairs or something. Nobody will be listening to them then either, but they’ll at least finally serve a purpose. You should really find a niche though, there’s all types of schools for your kind of people out there, there’s Everest (Fo’ Life!!!), ICDC (Master P, who can’t rap either, endorses that one), Phoenix University (being an involuntary recluse, this may be your best bet), maybe a health and beauty school, think about it, you can do hair all over the barrio yo!! Seriously dude, you can train to be a social worker, a crime scene investigator, a drug and alcohol counselor, anything someone like you can actually get hired for. Oh, I know, Job Corps!!! They have horrible rap commercials, you can go to job corps and train to……uuhhh……repair refrigerators or something. Whatever it is they train people to do. Think about it, you’re never going to be a successful rapper. Even mild success eludes you like it’s getting paid to do so. The only person stopping you is yourself dude, you want me to get you some phone numbers or something?

March 3, 2013
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Lucem Ferre said:

Other than the obvious good flow, great delivery, perfect word painting and superb lyrical ability I'd say this.

Uniqueness, a unique voice that isn't too bizarre. A unique way of saying things. Something that stands out.

Real shit, the best songs are real shit, even if there is a gimmick try to make it a metaphor for real shit.

I guess really you can't make the perfect artist, the artist has to do what they feel and hopefully other people will love it too.

yeah i cosign all of this.. the put on a show thing as well but the like watching a play is a lil too far for me haha

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March 3, 2013
12:44 am
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You ever think about learning how to operate a cherry picker? Seriously, that fruit isn’t going to just pick itself. If you do a good job, you can work your way up to the bananas.

March 3, 2013
1:13 am
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mmmmmm racism again.. nice.. 

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March 3, 2013
10:51 am
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It’s not racist, I don’t need to use fruit to be racist. You just hide behind that and use it as a crutch because you’re not creative enough to come up with anything else. So you whine about racism, big surprise.

March 3, 2013
11:32 am
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       There are a few reasons for this, one came to mind because of all the constant negativity on this forum towards numerous artists of all genres w/o any justification other than snotty opinions and self entitlement, another from the constant bashing and bickering between “artists” on here that 90% of the time both suck shit, and then the flip side of which is actual input from people who might want to contribute to better marketing, promotions, products, and touring experiences from artists you already enjoy, or those you may come to like in the future who observe this and get a better idea of how they can please the people they are trying to entertain.

       Aside from that, personally I'm looking at two thing here (which was purposely not mentioned prior); the response from those I already know make music and troll this site (would they take it seriously and give honest input, give false information to try and protect their own, or take it as some fantasy make your own pretend person bullshit n dismiss it with garbage responses), and the other aspect is the fans. Like I said, its an experiment, if you don't feel like taking it seriously, dip outta this thread and bring your bullshit elsewhere. Simple enough, or are the egos and pride of most you too strong to allow yourselves to just fall back and allow something creative actually take shape in this forum? Psychology and marketing is all I'm looking at here, so even if you just wanna fuck around, you're still contributing. Thanks!

 

Much Love!

March 3, 2013
11:35 am
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       Look at it more as if it were your chance to tell your favorite label or artist what it is you think they are/aren't doing right in your eyes, and how/why they should change it.

March 3, 2013
11:40 am
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Since you always whine about me being racist, and can’t take a joke, at all, you always cry, here’s some jokes for you warlock :

Why do Mexicans always wear hats with the brim up?
So they have a place to keep their taco.

Why don’t Mexicans like to play hide and seek?
Because nobody looks for them.

What did the Mexican say to the house that fell on him?
Get off me home’s.

What do you call a Mexican midget?
A paragraph. They’re too short to be an essay.

How many Mexicans does it take to screw in a light bulb?
It doesn’t matter, none of them can reach the socket anyway.

What’s a Mexicans favorite bookstore?
Borders.

2 Mexicans are sitting in a car, who’s driving?
The cop.

What do you call a building full of Mexicans?
Jail.

What hits first when a Mexican runs into a wall?
His lawnmower.

What do you call a Mexican riding a lawnmower?
Promoted.

How do you stop a Mexican from stealing?
Put everything on the top shelf.

What did Davy Crocket say when he saw all the Mexicans running towards The Alamo?
Who ordered concrete?

Why were there only 5,000 Mexicans at the battle of The Alamo?
They only had 2 vans.

What’s the difference between an elevator and a Mexican?
An elevator can raise a child properly.

Did you hear about the 2 car pile-up at WalMart?
50 Mexicans died.

Why can’t Mexicans play Uno?
They always steal the green cards.

What are the first three words in every Mexican cookbook?
Steal a chicken.

Did you ever hear the one about the Mexican who graduated from college?
Yeah….me neither.

March 3, 2013
11:50 am
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And in other news, voicenameless still wants people to play let’s pretend time. If your favorite artist went to the beach, what would he do? Read a book quietly under an umbrella? Maybe go walking along the shoreline with a lady love? Or maybe your imaginary artist would go swimming in the imaginary ocean and build imaginary sand castles. If so, how far would they swim out past the shoreline? Are there imaginary sharks in the imaginary ocean that the imaginary artist should look out for? Should he stay safe on the beach and just build sand castles? If so, how tall should they be? Feel free to be extravagant, it’s all not real and none of it will ever even come close to happening. He really needs our input about the imaginary artist at the imaginary beach. Are his homies there? Did they want to come and he said no, I just need some time to myself after this long imaginary tour? What’s his swim suit look like? Does he bring food? Is there sand in it? Does he eat it anyway? Maybe he goes to snack bar. If so, does he have any money? How much? Is it an adequate amount? Does he get correct change from the vendor? Is your imaginary artist satisfied with his imaginary meal while spending his imaginary day at the imaginary beach? Any input would be appreciated.

Much Love!!!

March 3, 2013
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March 3, 2013
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That’s very mature warlock. It would take 2 minutes, I’m not surprised. By the way, that gif is getting really old, just like all your other one’s. Asking a “Moderator” to read something for under 2 minutes is unreasonable, you’re right. You do your job so well. On the bright side, the other mods are doing well. But, in all fairness, the other 3 mods can hold a conversation, read whole paragraphs, and they don’t cry like whiny bitches. Yup, thank God for the other 3, you can’t do your job effectively, it involves reading.

March 3, 2013
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VoiceNameless said:

a whole lot, actually.

okay, so ima break this into pieces…

There are a few reasons for this, one came to mind because of all the constant negativity on this forum towards numerous artists of all genres w/o any justification other than snotty opinions and self entitlement, another from the constant bashing and bickering between “artists” on here that 90% of the time both suck shit,

cmon, you cant just make a declaration like that without callin out specifics.  any artist that isnt a full-on wimp can take it. 

then the flip side of which is actual input from people who might want to contribute to better marketing, promotions, products, and touring experiences from artists you already enjoy, or those you may come to like in the future who observe this and get a better idea of how they can please the people they are trying to entertain.

one could argue that every fourth topic in this forum is exactly this.  or at least, trying to be this.

 Aside from that, personally I'm looking at two thing here (which was purposely not mentioned prior); the response from those I already know make music and troll this site (would they take it seriously and give honest input, give false information to try and protect their own, or take it as some fantasy make your own pretend person bullshit n dismiss it with garbage responses),

i rather suspected this, which is why my initial response is what it is.  honest, but without really claiming anything.

at any rate, i was fairly sure that your intent was not to play 'lets pretend'.

 and the other aspect is the fans.

see the 'every fourth topic' comment.

  Like I said, its an experiment, if you don't feel like taking it seriously, dip outta this thread and bring your bullshit elsewhere. Simple enough, or are the egos and pride of most you too strong to allow yourselves to just fall back and allow something creative actually take shape in this forum?

are you really asking? 

lets face it… outside of the design battles, and maybe thirty percent of the fruity loops thread, creativity doesnt enter into any of this shit.  most, id expect, will work against creativity, probably out of frustration and self-loathing, as much as anything else. 

Psychology and marketing is all I'm looking at here, so even if you just wanna fuck around, you're still contributing.

fair nuff.  i have a rudimentary understanding of both, so ill try to contribute on a legit level.  this, despite the obvious flaws in the premise. 

        Look at it more as if it were your chance to tell your favorite label or artist what it is you think they are/aren't doing right in your eyes, and how/why they should change it.

definitely, refer back to the 'every fourth topic' comment, only be sure to remove the words 'one could argue'. 

 

and, at the heart of the discussion, i havent got much to say, other than, 'i wouldnt do that', or, 'thats what i would do'.  that kinda shit.  if youre doin market research, [an assumption, but a fair one], itd be easier to get answers [from me, that is] by asking pointed, specific questions, rather than this hypothetical business. 

 

addendum:  patjoyce, you should know that voicenameless has a head on him.  no, really… no need to bite him. 

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

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