Slumerican502 said:

Lucem Ferre said:

Illuminati, the secret society created to fight against the oppressive powers that the church's used and abused. Filled with many enlightened thinkers who began the journey of separating church and state to make a more secular government. Some how they have become a hidden government who worship the devil and secretly run the world.

you sound like a crowley follower to me llal. People say they worship lucifer "god of light" because of the all seeing eye that crowley and others don. That and the backmasking that goes on in music with satanic messages and the hidden messages that are in disney films. not sayin i believe it by the way but it really is an interesting concept

 

Government, like I always preach, is fucked up and corrupt for two reasons; the federal reserve which is a non American central banking system which goes against many of the things that this country stood for doing what Britain did to us to before Revolutionary War, Britain made us use their currency so they controlled our money which means they controlled our economy which is what the federal reserve does right now, and the people for not paying attention to what the hell is going on, not questioning things (realistically) and not doing shit (like refusing to vote because they think it's a waste of time).

 And what do you think the illuminati want(pretending they do exist)? a One world government with a global currency. A paperless society where all our money is on chips in our body.  Which is supposedly why the league of nations and later the U.N. was formed in the first place. Where they can more easily manipulate the distribution of wealth to where they deem fit. And where did your vote lie my good man? are you any better off than you were four or eight years ago? Young people don't fucking vote because we believe our choice isn't really a choice at all. Id rather not vote than be one who blindly votes for my affiliated candidate regardless of what they say they believe, because they don't want the other party to win. Doing the right things for the wrong reasons is still wrong. Not sayin that's what you did cuz i don't know but id wager the majority of americans on both sides of the fence voted for precisely that reason

I'm 20, I didn't vote for the last election and you still have to find out the whether or not I voted this election. You are fooled by the idea that we only have two candidates running for election. We don't. The media only tells us the two 'primary' candidates because the primary candidates are supported by huge political action committees, private organizations and huge business's like McDonald's.

I am a Crowley follower, well, I look up to him and some of the things he's said. Crowley isn't a Satanist, he's more a of a secular humanist. The all seeing eye is the eye of Horus, look at my picture that's what I have drawn on the left side of my face. Horus has a significance in Thelema because the 'Aeon of Horus' is supposed to be the time that Crowley says man will become self aware and learn what their true will is. I mean, if you research Satanism, you'll learn that it's almost nothing like it's perceived. Crowley is a secular humanist. Lavey as an atheist who worships ego. Spiritual Satanist think that Satan was an extraterrestrial that created humanity.

I completely understand the issue you have with the political party system, I hate it too. If  people were to look at the issues they'd realize that majority of us don't completely agree with either political party. Hell, this isn't just Democrips and Rebloodicans, this is also the Liberenos. (Liberals and Surenos mixed) Even if somebodies beliefs does exactly follow one of the political parties, it's still stupid to vote by party because majority of the candidates join those parties only because joining a party will get you to primaries. Like I said though, there are far more than just two choices out there, you just got to do the research on who is running.

Slumerican502 said:

Yeah i've read up on Crowley and the Alien called Aiwass that he was supposed to have gotten his scriptures from to write the book of law(idk if the title is correct). Im not gonna pretend ive read it but what I took from what I learned its occultism mixed with spiritualism. Lets sacrifice a male ram inside of this circle so we can trap its energy type shit. Its interesting to think the age of enlightenment will be  brought on by an alien though and entirely possible. As far as Satanism goes I also see what your saying. If your anti-christ people think your automatically bad because of the values christ embodied. They have a different view of the world that isn't necessarily  Dark and evil but different. To me good and evil is just a matter of perspective. Hitler prolly thought he was doing gods work right?

 

And yes im aware there are multiple parties and candidates that run, when was the last time an independent has had even a little hope of winning? Remember Ralph Nader? Ross Perot? Its just not realistic to even include them in the conversation, even though im independent myself. And I do believe your right in that alot of us are somewhere in the middle but what can we do? We don't know that they mean what they say.  Its all about spin man. You watch the debates? When asked questions romney and obama would slam the others policies without talking about their own. Its like "I don't have to prove im right, just that your wrong and if your wrong I must be right"

I have no clue where you learned your information on Crowley from, but you are completely wrong. The book of the law's legend says that Crowley's wife was possessed by an ancient Egyptian god or goddess, I can't remember which one, and that she told him to write the book of the law. Even Thelemites say that this is just a fun story, but they don't believe it. A lot of Crowley's work revolves around using ancient gods as metaphors or manifestations of universal powers. Of course, the interpretation of The Book of the Law is up to the reader, but I have never seen a Thelemite that believes in actual supernatural deities. Where do you get this animal sacrifice idea from? Crowley doesn't do any sacrifices, in fact, I have yet to find a form of Satanism that actually practices blood sacrifices. It is occultism mixed with spiritualism, but occultism is really just hidden forms of spiritualism. Like, one of the 'occult' practices he learned and I think applied to Thelema was meditation. The Book of The Law never actually spoke on Thelemic rituals and thing is, you don't have to practice their rituals to be a Thelemite.

Let me repeat what I said; It's not that the government isn't listening, it's just that it can't hear you if you don't speak. You give up to easily. You have no right to complain about the third party candidates not being elected because you never voted. I'm pretty sure that if all the people who make the same claims you do actually voted they could get a third party candidate elected. You are giving up. I mean, before you start a violent "revolution" actually try to do something first.

It's like, there's a bunch chefs making oat meal cookies and you don't like oat meal cookies, you like chocolate chip cookies. So you get mad and put on blast that the kitchen is corrupt and doesn't care about the customers' wants. Thing is that the kitchen had no idea that the customers wanted chocolate chip cookies because nobody said anything about it. It's unreasonable to hate the kitchen for not bringing you the cookies you wanted when you never told them the kind of cookies you wanted. You get what I'm saying?

If the government actually takes every single one of our rights, what can you say that you did to prevent it?

If this beautiful nation becomes torn apart by a violent revolution, what can you say that you did to prevent it?

Its like arguing about abortion man. no winners. You cant make a comparison based on fucking cookies lol. What if you do speak out and say you wanted chocolate chip and they deny you. They tell you they know whats best for you and chocolate chips aren't it. What do you do then? What difference does it make really? just so you can say you tried? either fucking way unless you get new chefs your stuck eating oatmeal raisins or you go to another another bakery.thats the divide man. I listen to talk radio and read the community forum in the paper, forums on the internet. People are speaking out but it doesn't matter. The best I can do is provide for my daughter and myself, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Freedom is slipping away and feeding into the current political system isn't helping no matter what you think. ever watch south park? its like choosing between a douche and a turd sandwich. ALL the choices are fucking garbage

Slumerican502 said:

Its like arguing about abortion man. no winners. You cant make a comparison based on fucking cookies lol. What if you do speak out and say you wanted chocolate chip and they deny you. They tell you they know whats best for you and chocolate chips aren't it. What do you do then? What difference does it make really? just so you can say you tried? either fucking way unless you get new chefs your stuck eating oatmeal raisins or you go to another another bakery.thats the divide man. I listen to talk radio and read the community forum in the paper, forums on the internet. People are speaking out but it doesn't matter. The best I can do is provide for my daughter and myself, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Freedom is slipping away and feeding into the current political system isn't helping no matter what you think. ever watch south park? its like choosing between a douche and a turd sandwich. ALL the choices are fucking garbage

Yes, you have to at least try before you start a war. You have no right at getting mad at the chefs if you never asked for the chocolate chip cookies. Your what ifs are all negative, what if you speak and it does go heard. The best way to get new chefs is to look into who you are hiring and to actually do a bit of hiring yourself rather than put the hiring process into somebody else's hands. Also, for all these people who do speak, how few are they? The only people I do see speaking up and protesting are the people who have no fucking clue what they are talking about and only do it because it's a trend. "yeah big banks are evil bastards" You should know the type I'm talking about. Few, a very few people are speaking out, but the majority doesn't. The government isn't built to run off of what a few citizens say, but what the majority says. Honestly, you know that a majority of the people have no clue what they are talking about then the people who do are too pessimistic to try anything, then those who have a clue and do actually speak up are very very few. Then there's the people who are full of shit and think they know when they are just sheeple blindly following political parties. They speak out more often then people who know how sheepish they are.

Again you make a hasty generalization that ALL candidates are complete garbage when only the primaries are complete garbage. Your freedoms are fading because you just sit there and watch them fade.

We need to make a separate thread for this, it's getting ridiculous because we are going on over two different threads when we could just use on thread to debate on. lol

I'm also getting really tired and I can't debate while I'm tired because I'll end up misreading things or misinterpreting things. Continue this tomorrow on a new thread?

Sounds good bro it was nice talkin to ya.

We both knew going in we weren't going to change each others minds man. I think we had more in common than our argument would suggest. I think its fun to debate myself, it is an exchange of information. It was like I was telling him even though we disagree I respected that he does have an opinion. Its cool to see the way that other people view things. Everything on all these forums are just opinions man

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