So things like Pascal’s wager? Well, maybe not that particular argument cause that’s been played out and countered with the inclusion of an anti-conventional God possibility in the equation. Actually, I think there has been more counters to that one than just that.

But things of that nature is what we shall discuss?

I’m in, but someone needs to start it off. And I can play devil’s advocate even to things with which I agree. So as long as it is understood that these are arguments playing out in logical discourse and in no way may reflect my true beliefs. I really don’t care to be labeled theist, atheist, agnostic, etc.

So… Someone start it off and lets see how heated we can make this.

LuckyNumbrXIII said

Psyral Infection said

LuckyNumbrXIII said 
..
Like I said, I went to Catholic school, Jesuit high school, and am a pretty devout Roman Catholic.  There’s no “argument” I haven’t heard.  

Then bring something new to the table. Pose the argument and I will try my best to counter it logically even if I agree with you in belief.

I have nothing new to bring to the table.  The existence of a higher power has confounded man since before civilization.  At this point I think it’s arrogant and futile to pretend to know.

I totally agree. But I like the mental masturbation of the debate. The argument cannot be “won” but I like the logical discourse. Pointless? Yes. Fun? For some.

LuckyNumbrXIII said 

I feel like it’s become more about atheists debating the debate itself.  Such and such fallacy, this and that logic blah blah blah… 

I’m agnostic Atheist.  You don’t know what God is, how He works, and you won’t know until you’re dead.  Your brain can’t comprehend it.  So, I mean… you can go ahead and call me “straw man,” or “double inverted testicle twist” fallacy all you want, still doesn’t change the fact that God very well can be out there.  In an infinite universe, isn’t it conceivable that somewhere out there, there is a power higher than us?  Higher than that?  Than that?  So on, so forth?  How do we know our universe isn’t just a synaptic receptor of a gigantic being?  We don’t.  Just like e. coli doesn’t know that it’s entire universe takes place in my ass hole.  The end.  

I can’t argue with that. Again, I agree. We don’t know. And the admission of lack of knowledge is said to be first step to the path of wisdom. Whatever wisdom is.

The “double inverted testicle twist” fallacy? That’s a good one. I wonder what that would entail.

i dont remember who im quoting, here, but…  

there are only two possibilities:  

one, there is alien life outside of earth;  we are not alone.  

two, there is no alien life outside of earth;  we are alone.  

either possibility precludes the other, and both are equally mind-boggling.  and, as yet, equally unproveable.  

i forget why i brought that up.  my mind meanders.  

And not to mention the gospels that were removed during the Council of Nicaea in Constantine. Those gospels are now part of the Apocrapha . And the Revelations that currently are in the Bible are not the original. They aren’t even the second attempt. The first two described events and times that just didn’t come true so they threw them out and the current one was written by an exiled priest that was classified as insane but wrote in ambiguous and cryptic tones which could never be pinned to actual events so it was kept. The issues go on and on. 

scruffy said 
…
there are only two possibilities:  

one, there is alien life outside of earth;  we are not alone.  

two, there is no alien life outside of earth;  we are alone.  

either possibility precludes the other, and both are equally mind-boggling.  and, as yet, equally unproveable.  …
   

Only two? What if this existence that we seem to find ourselves is not real as we see it. Our reality is nothing but one mind that exists only in the “now” that believes it has split into infinite pieces and this belief projects the universe as we know it with all past and future being nothing more than aspects of this false projection.

Or maybe not.

Psyral Infection said

scruffy said 
…
there are only two possibilities:  

one, there is alien life outside of earth;  we are not alone.  

two, there is no alien life outside of earth;  we are alone.  

either possibility precludes the other, and both are equally mind-boggling.  and, as yet, equally unproveable.  …
   

Only two? What if this existence that we seem to find ourselves is not real as we see it. Our reality is nothing but one mind that exists only in the “now” that believes it has split into infinite pieces and this belief projects the universe as we know it with all past and future being nothing more than aspects of this false projection.

Or maybe not.

do the math;  still comes down to an either/or.  for real.