Tyler, The Creator said in 2011

I'm a fucking unicorn, and fuck anybody who say I'm not. Wolf Gang.

With Mighty Death Pop being 5 years old as well, can we even consider that new shit anymore?

What draws me in? ... I'm not even sure how to answer that ...

Uhh... Songs like twiztids "kill somebody" and songs like icps "super duper". 

I like a combination of darkness with the light... Most likely due to fucked up mental genetics... 

"Man shut the fuck up man. Why you always gotta ruin the moment?"

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First off, what an amazing topic and awesome responses! Seems like all I've been reading here and elsewhere lately are the so called "juggalo civil war" posts and label beefs. Posts like these are exactly why I come here and love it!

To the topic at hand, what drew me in originally was that ICP and Esham were Detroit local so me and my friends felt like we had to check them out. I got hooked and kept coming back to the clowns cd after cd because of the humor, horror, kung fu and wrestling references. I was into everything they were into and felt like these were some dudes I could chill with in real life if we ever met.

I never really felt like their stuff was all that evil or "wicked" mostly because I've seen far worse in real life so hearing someone rap about it or watching it in a movie does nothing for me. I don't hate it, but I think unfortunately a lot of us have seen true evil in our day to day lives so hearing someone rap about how the devil vomits on someone's face or a dude's neck got cut kind of pales in comparison. I do dig the horror movie references though, like all of the evil dead, freddy, lovecraft and edgar allen poe stuff they tuck into their rhymes.

 I 'm an old school punk and horror movie fan and as mentioned in an earlier post, merchandising and corporate America do have a way of glomming onto a scene, over saturating it and killing it. Currently all of the Superhero movies (Marvel U, DC,etc) and pg-13 horror movies are facing a situation like this.  To an extent when ICP merch starting being sold at Hot Topic and Walmart the same held true for them, they were in danger of becoming a fad. I would give people props for wearing an ICP shirt and sometimes they would tell me they didn't like the band but loved the shirt. That stuff was everywhere for a while there and in some odd ways the gang label helped them because the merch is no longer as wide spread and readily available as it was before keeping it underground for the time being.

I still enjoy their albums but do agree they are starting to sound like ICP doing ICP. It happens to the best of them. Greenday put out 4 albums that all sounded like American Idiot, Aerosmith started cranking out songs that sounded just like "Crazy" and so on. I'm not a singer/songwriter so I don't know why this happens. Is it an attempt to please the fans? Is it a cash grab? Are they just in a particular place in life and it carries across multiple albums or do they have a drug habit and/or are lazy but know the formula to write this type of song and know it will sell?

I think the missing link albums were their attempt to please  all of their fans. A disc of "wicked" songs and a disc of happy, humorous ones. It was just over analyzed by them so to some it comes off as fake or a copy. I like both of the albums for my own reasons but realize a lot of people don't.  I also can't help but think of how amazing Violent J must feel being single again and losing all of that weight, I feel like the infomercial wasn't them losing touch, going pop or getting soft, he's in a happy place so that comes out in his music and his art......wow I rambled...anyways..awesome topic....thank you!

I have a feeling that this reply might get lengthy because I've almost always been passionate about ICP and Twiztid.

From the moment I picked up the Riddlebox CD from a Used CD/Record store not long after it came out and put it in my discman, I was hooked. I don't know that it was one particular thing about it. I loved it all. The subject matter, the tone, the beats, the lyrics, the jokes, the horror, the whole package. I slept every night with head phones pumping it into my ear for the next several weeks while I spent as much time and money as I could finding everything else by this amazing group. I had never heard anything like it before. I grew up on 2Pac, Dr Dre, Westside Connection, etc. This new music was similar but catered to my taste for the macabre.

My friend and I also started going to shows shortly after. All the shows we could find. I was at the first and 2nd JCW, the first and second gathering, the first big ballas Christmas party where the Psychopathic Rydas made their on stage debut. I felt very lucky for being down when I was. I got to see a lot of shit that others would kill to see.

I know other people have said it was "magic" but it just seems to me like magic is too much of a commercialized word to explain it. It was just some mystery force drawing me in. I had to see and hear all of it. By the time I posted my CD collection on PsychopathicTraders.com for sale cause I needed the money, including LPs, EPs, Singles, etc, I had 88 ICP CDs. EIGHTY FUCKING EIGHT!

I do feel like over the years the music did start to go down hill some. But no matter what, I always had to hear what the newest shit they were putting out sounded like. I still do. Sadly, I'm definitely not as down as I used to be. I'd love to go to another show...no doubt about it. But I doubt I'd paint my face and get all super into it like I used to. I broke my hand in 1999-2000 and while rocking my Green and Purple Riddebox cast, I crowd surfed my way up to the barricade and climbed my crippled ass up on say, gave a nod to J and then sailed off the stage into the crowd. When I got home that night, my cast was so nasty and sticky and smelly that I cut it off myself. The doctor was not happy when I came in th next day needing another cast hahah

Anyway, back to the original question...it was EVERYTHING about it. And it still is. 

King Lucem Ferre said
With ICP seems like the 'new shit' is BPB and on and with Twiztid it seems like the 'new shit' is Abominationz and on.

 

But really none of that is new shit!  

They're the new shit in that it's the beginning of the newest era for the artists. A change in sound and musical philosophy so to speak. It's not new in the sense that it came out yesterday.

As far as what draws me in? I've always just loved more violet and horror-themed media and more unique pieces of art. I grew up on horror movies and authors like HP lovecraft and edgar allen poe. So ICP and twiztid are just, everything I love about darker media. It was violent, and dark, but it was also like nothing I'd have listened to at that point. I could probably speak about it more eloquently, about what exact elements I liked, but it's early and I haven't had my morning whiskey yet.