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9:04 pm
April 25, 2017
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What I am posting below is NOT 100% confirmed from either Necro or Ill Bill. I am merely collecting HEARSAY and posting what others have claimed to have known what the beef was about. Now what they say MAY be correct. They MAY have read something Necro said in a magazine years ago that they simply didn't cite. I just want people to know this before they read what I am about to post that others said years ago on other websites. With that in mind, let us first have a little history about when the first serious beef arose. In my second post, I will get into the new one....
First, going back a few years we have this:
https://www.thecoli.com/threads/ill-bill-blesses-us-with-a-brand-new-album-septagram%E2%84%A2.436333/page-3
Now here is an exchange from June 2016 in this topic.
at some point after they stopped working togerther and Necro finally spoke on it on social media saying that Bill never thanked him over the years for all the beats and that they "don't have anything in common but the same mother" (which is bullshyt since they both been rapping since the 80s)
Necro and Mr. Hyde went their own way
Bill went his way with LCN, Raekwon and Vinnie Paz and all them dudes. and now Goretex is back in the fold since he returned to the scene in 2013 with his last solo (Electric Lucifer)
Necro also says he was mad that Bill never got him an invite to Raekwon's Only Built 2 record release party when Necro produced a song on it...Bill got an invite
And another person makes a comment. Obviously just words. No source to back it up that I can see.
the beef with necro and bill isnt over beats its about necro talking shyt about bills wife. i dont remember what was said exactly but it was when necro started beefing with goretex and he said something along the lines of bill cheating on her or some shyt like that. also necro is why goretex cant use the name goretex anymore, hence gore elohim.
these ill bill goretex joints really restore a feeling. think about the 10 years of dope material we lost due to necro being a fakkit.
also necro owes gore like 30k for the art of dying. ronnie brownstain is a certified scrub.
Skip ahead.
I remember a 2009 2010 era goretex interview (probably conspiracy radio) where Gore mentions the money and also Necro was getting him blackballed from doing shows at certain venues in NYC
Another speculation on page 4:
It could be over the fact that Bill is fukking with Gore again. Necro shyt on Gore BAD when he booted him off the label.
Very interesting claims. Skip ahead a few years and we find bridges to have been mended.
SPOKE WITH BILL - SENT HIM A TRACK I MADE WITH MY VERSE ON IT - THIS IS A SPECIAL TREAT - YOU'LL SEE
SO OUR BEEF IS SQUASHED
ALL FOR YOU!!!!!!
Clip.
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Rotten J, T.O.9:20 pm
April 25, 2017
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Now apparently, this most recent dispute Necro is having with his brother Ill Bill has to do with Ill Bill's artwork for his upcoming EP Pulp Phixion. Necro has been vocal on both his Instagram and Facebook accounts. Moreso on Facebook. I will post comments from others from both sources. Only the most relevant and most thought provoking of course. With that said, let's get on with some album artwork that Necro thinks is biting off of a cover of his that he paid for years ago to have someone draw.
Compared to...
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Now obviously this was drawn by the same man who has drew the cover for Megadeth's Peace Sells But Who's Buying. The orange and purple sky in a post apocalyptic world theme is of course similar. Necro is a metal fan. This was a tribute. He only borrowed the sky and the buildings. Moving on to Necro's main post that shows up on BOTH instagram and facebook accounts of his.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BzSE2bEl2PM/
necrorules
VerifiedSo this “edited for family” shady human being 💩 decided to bite and rip off my PRE-FIX FOR DEATH artwork - a fan brought it to my attention earlier and I was like wow - no respect for my classic album - I asked this douchebag to change the art and he refused so now I have to put him on blast because I invested ALOT of money in this album and its my brand and my shit - don’t try to steal shit especially from a dude that helped you - these people are so delusional they will try to shit on someone who actually has more listeners like I don’t exist - I got more listeners than you and your wack group - DON’T BITE - HAVE RESPECT - BE ORIGINAL like the Wu said - now to add insult to injury - he is doing this record with some jerkoff down with Goretex - hate to mention his name but dude is a racist - he called my engineer Elliott of 20 years the N word - this was documented online years ago but people seem to forget so quick - but basically they rock with a racist - so if you support these idiots that is what you support - trust me the last thing I wanna do is mention these fuckheads - I got more listeners than ALL of them - but I will NOT let you BITE my classic albums - I put way too much work into being original to have anyone try to eat or live off my style - FUCK OUTTA HERE!
Now this comment on instagram raises a good point.
jgutierrez810
Could be a setup... Maybe Bill didnt even catch it and somebody else had the artist draw it up purposely then had one of their bitches bring it to your attention or created a phony account because they didnt want you to get close to Bill out of jealousy?? I dont know I have a paranoid personality always thinking everythings a setup and people are out to get me. I'm sure Bill loves your album art but at the same time he doesnt analize and keep track of all your art. He's your bro I dont think it was his intention. You cant expect him to change it up especially if he already paid for merch cd's and vinyl to be made. Would you? Naw you'd tell the person to go fuck themselves. As a retired graff artist it would piss me the fuck off when I'd come across fucks that would try to bite my steeze but after awhile I was flattered my shit was so dope other artists wanted to have a style like mine.
So when Necro says he asked this douchebag to change the artwork, is he referring to his brother Ill Bill, or did Necro contact the actual artist that Bill obviously paid to get some artwork done for the album cover? I can't tell. Now before I get to the extended comments section on Necro's facebook, I want to cite some comments on a reddit page.
cantspellblamegoogle 1 point 5 days ago
yeah i respect the fuck outta necro on the production side of things but does he own the rights to skulls? he's gone insane"
HowDoYouHearHeavy 1 point 11 days ago
This is gonna turn out nasty if it keeps going. Not seeing the comparisons between the two artwork. Sounds like they're in competition with each other, and I don't care how many "listeners" he got. I'll listen to whoever, whenever. Bad look on his part.
cantspellblamegoogle 1 point 5 days ago
Not only is the album cover way different. the whole "I put way too much work into being original to have anyone try and eat off my style" its 16 years old...and its being released by your BRO
Finally, I would say that not only is the skeleton on the Pulp Phixion cover holding something lethal, (gun versus syringe), he is even wearing the same jacket with the same collar popped up.
9:38 pm
April 25, 2017
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As we can see on Necro's facebook, he posted that same comment that is on Instagram at
Necro posts more on facebook. So we will deal with those comments. In fact, he goes into more detail. He in fact answers what I was unsure about before. He didn't ask the artist Bill paid to remove the art, change it, etc. He asked Bill himself. Necro explains on facebook.
NECRO OFFICIAL PAGE I DON'T REALLY GIVE A FUCK IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME - MY COVER IS A CLASSIC IN HARDCORE HIPHOP - DON'T BITE MY SHIT THEN INSULT ME WHEN I TELL YOU TO CHANGE IT - YOU SHOULD HAVE MORE PRIDE IN YOUR ART THEN TO RIP OFF SOMEONE'S CLASSIC - ESPECIALLY YOUR OWN BROTHER - IS NOTHING SACRED? - THIS IS WHERE WE ARE IN OUR RELATIONSHIP - THAT HE SEES THAT ART AND SAYS FUCK IT I WILL USE THAT FOR MY NEW SHIT - GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE - AS LONG AS MY FANS KNOW - I AM NOT HERE TO DISS THE DUDE'S RAP ABILITY - I AM PROTECTING MY BRAND - PERIOD - HE WAS GIVEN A CHANCE TO REMOVE IT AND CHANGE THAT WACK SHIT RIP OFF TURD OF A COVER - LET MY CLASSIC SHIT LIVE BITER
NECRO OFFICIAL PAGE I'M TALKING ABOUT BILL'S NEW ALBUM COVER - I DIDN'T WANNA GIVE LIGHT TO HIS RIP OFF, BUT NOW YOU KNOW
Miro CiMi Cipolat
NECRO OFFICIAL PAGE
Hey Necro i am from switzerland and i am thinking that youre little Bro is inspired by you as an artist. Maybe, he copies a little youre artwerk... but it is youre Brother?!
Blood is thicker than water...
And you have more listener n fans.
So i hope that you will come to Zurich switzerland 4 an epic gig!
Tack Hip Hop BACK!
Diego Armando
NECRO OFFICIAL PAGE
lol you should just take it as a compliment... and go. You inspired someone, be proud. Don’t complain.
NECRO OFFICIAL PAGE HERE IS WHAT I KNOW - ANYONE THAT TROLLS THIS SAYING IT'S NOT A RIP OFF DEEP DOWN WILL KNOW IT IS - THEY ARE JUST TROLLING - BUT IT'S VISUALLY THERE - THE SKULL WITH THE SAME JACKET WITH THE LAPELS UP HOLDING SOMETHING UP LIKE A SYRINGE INSTEAD A LONG GUN WITH THE WAR TORN CITY IN THE BACK WITH BUILDINGS - IT'S A STRAIGHT FUCKIN' BITE OF THE PRE-FIX FOR DEATH - WHOEVER DREW THAT SHIT OBVIOUSLY ISN'T GOOD BUT IT WAS A LAME ATTEMPT - NOW BILL SHOULD HAVE SEEN THIS AND SAID OK THIS LOOKS TOO MUCH LIKE NECRO'S SHIT LET'S CHANGE IT - THE FACT HE WOULD USE SOMETHING SO CLOSE TO MY CLASSIC IS DISRESPECT - IT'S NOT USING THE SAME SAMPLE WHICH IS OK IN HIPHOP - OR A DIFFERENT SAMPLE FROM THE SAME RECORD - THIS IS MY SHIT - MY CHARACTER - IT'S ONE OF MY BEST SELLING SHIRTS WHICH I AM PUSHING FOR 15 YEARS - IT'S NOT SOME COINCIDENCE - IT'S CALLED BITING IF YOU STRAIGHT UP COPY SOMEONE'S SHIT IN HIPHOP IN THIS FASHION ESPECIALLY SOMEONE FROM YOUR PAST CREW WITH DUDES WHO KNOW MY SHIT 100% - IF I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING SOME OF THESE IDIOTS WOULD THINK IT WAS OK - NOW YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK - YOU CAN DISAGREE ALL DAY - I DON'T GIVE A FUCK - DIEHARDS WILL KNOW THIS WAS A BITE - AND THAT'S THAT
David James Half ass artist drew Bills . Did he bite your shit though? Yeah. Bill can spit though so id be lying if I said im not bumping that shit. Make peace with your brother Necro, bottom line to me,lifes too short
I had to look up what album. I don't see the blatant rip off and disrespect in it. Looks more like homage and inside referencing, even if this guy feels some type of way about it.
Ted Biondo Yeah, that's exactly how I saw it too. Didn't see it as being a rip off. It's his brother though so there might be more to it that I don't know. Not sure
Isn't Bill just paying some tribute using your art? Why don't you guys just sit and try so settle this? You're brothers..this will fuck up the Fatbeats anniversary reunion though! It's just my opinion. I'm not a hater. Both you and your brother are two dopeness Mcs. Respect!
Man it suck that it come to this situation, i really tought it was finally good between you guys since Bill even gave you props at the Non Phixion show in MTL last week.
Vinyllover: that would be the June 22 2019 show in Montreal.
So I guess one of the best colab albums in the universe has to wait even longer. If it'll ever happen. Fuck!
Damn I thought(and hoped) the beef was squashed
9:42 pm
April 25, 2017
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Who drew Ill Bill's Pulp Phixion? Ill Bill tells us on his twitter.
ILL BILLVerified account @ILLB1LL
"PULP PHIXION" EP
JULY 26 via TUFF KONG RECORDS/UNCLE HOWIE DIGITAL
Here is the instagram account of scarful.
https://www.instagram.com/scarful/
And this is the show Necro is not doing anymore. The Fatbeats 25th anniversary show on July 14 in Sony Hall NYC.
10:53 pm
March 31, 2012
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That necro album straight sucks..
"I Need Drugs" is the only dope project he gots..
11:07 pm
April 25, 2017
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The Pre-fix sucks? You don't like these songs?
Beautiful Music to Die To
Dispensation of Life and Death
Reflection of Children Coming up in the grave
Insaneology
Death Rap
Nirvana
Agree to disagree I guess.
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genocide_cutter11:27 pm
October 2, 2017
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Ill Bill > Necro. Bill is working with Gore & Sabac again. Hope for a new Non Phixion album or a Bill x Gore group project.
11:47 pm
March 31, 2012
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vinyllover said
The Pre-fix sucks? You don't like these songs?
Beautiful Music to Die To
Dispensation of Life and Death
Reflection of Children Coming up in the grave
Insaneology
Death Rap
Nirvana
Agree to disagree I guess.
he's a mediocre ass rapper who thinks he's way better than he is..
his word selection is bland as fuck on that project.. it's like nursery rhyme horrorcore..
12:07 am
April 25, 2017
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Halloween said
Ill Bill > Necro. Bill is working with Gore & Sabac again. Hope for a new Non Phixion album or a Bill x Gore group project.
Indeed they are working together again. Non Phixion is doing a small tour of Europe this year.
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12:10 am
April 25, 2017
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The Warlock said
he's a mediocre ass rapper who thinks he's way better than he is..
his word selection is bland as fuck on that project.. it's like nursery rhyme horrorcore..
I suggest you listen to his full length album he did with New York legend Kool G Rap. Necro did all the beats and production. Kool G Rap signed off on it. Necro told KGR that he had to approve all the beats and lyrics from Necro. It worked.
12:18 am
March 31, 2012
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I knew someone would bring that project up... I cant front, a G Rap cosign is about the best you can get in hip hop..
but... Necro is a very popular underground rapper.. I think he's a perfect example of someone who makes "Smart Rap" for stupid people..
that project may have some fire on it, I cant say a necro produced album interest me in the slightest..
Im not sure if Death Rap or DIE was the last project I checked out of his..
but i was disappionted enough with his catalog to lose interest..
12:38 am
April 25, 2017
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The Warlock said
Im not sure if Death Rap or DIE was the last project I checked out of his..
but i was disappionted enough with his catalog to lose interest..
I listened to Death Rap on youtube. Decided I wouldn't shell out the money for the vinyl. Didn't really like enough songs on the album. So it doesn't sit on my shelf like other ones by him.
12:43 am
March 30, 2018
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I don't follow Necro like I used too but I used to bump his I need drugs album hard
but what I have learnt about Necro over the years is the guy's a douche
Ill Bill on the other hand was a cool ass dude I remember the old myspace days where I was trying to add a custom to track to my page and he reached out to me and showed me how
and he made this song I think it's even on a strange music sampler I got off killmusick back in the day
THE ALMIGHTY SMACK
12:57 am
March 30, 2018
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also
a few years back Twiztid played the greatest city in the world for its first time ever and drew maybe 30 people
the very next night Necro and Madchild sold out in a much bigger venue
so there's that
THE ALMIGHTY SMACK
8:28 am
March 30, 2013
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the_deplorable_smack said
I don't follow Necro like I used too but I used to bump his I need drugs album hardbut what I have learnt about Necro over the years is the guy's a douche
Ill Bill on the other hand was a cool ass dude I remember the old myspace days where I was trying to add a custom to track to my page and he reached out to me and showed me how
and he made this song I think it's even on a strange music sampler I got off killmusick back in the day
That's the only Ill Bill album I own. It is, admittedly, pretty fantastic. Lots of variety in subject matter. Plus it has an excellent closer with great guests..
On the subject of their personalities, I've read on here in another thread that many consider Bill to be the biggest asshole in the underground. Like officially lol. I have no opinion as I've never seen him live.
2:45 am
November 22, 2016
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I appreciate the work you put in vinyllover. Summarizing all this shit, different sources, was a pretty good read. I hope you'll keep updating this thread when things develop, so that I get to keep being a lazy ass
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Chuckieboy2:16 pm
April 25, 2017
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Here is a flyer that was posted on Ill Bill's twitter. As you can see, Necro is absent.
9:36 am
April 25, 2017
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Necro recently did an "ask me anything" bit on Facebook. Obviously someone brought up the Fat Beats show he uninvited himself from.
dumb shit or redundant will be removed
disrespectful = banned
You and Bill still beefin?
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T.O.3:42 am
November 22, 2016
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vinyllover said
It's funny that Necro thinks that's what maturity is. Funny, but not surprising.
9:23 am
April 25, 2017
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Chuck Reeves has instagram back. He posted a comment on Necro's instagram.
chuckreevesbeasthost
My did make a bitch ass ignorant of the facts comment on this motherfucker and I wanna thank @dirtthesixth and @necrorules himself for schooling me to the facts. My bad for not informing myself enough to share an informed opinion.
I'm not sure where he made a comment that Necro noticed, or someone noticed and directed Necro to. Possibly facebook? Maybe I should go back and check out Necro's facebook to see if anything by Chuck Reeves comes up.
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