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        	<title>Cheshyr on Juggalo Cartography OR Gathering Map Stuff</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I guess as a capper for this here doomed thread (cuz like I said, this all becomes useless information AFTER this year's Gathering), I figured I'd drop in this last video as a visual aid.</p>
<p>It's filmed by the same guy that did the Gathering footage you've probably already seen in the infomercial/promos, but this is taken from the festival Legend Valley held three months after the first Gathering at LV in '14.</p>
<p>So of course the layout of people IS NOT the same as at the Gathering and even then, they have changed a few other things BUT it is VERY good at showing the actual terrain of the place and where everything is in relation to other shit.</p>
<p>My advice would be to mute the hippy music, throw on some of yer own shit and do whatever studying ya need!</p>
<p>Hope it all helps make your Gathering a bit better if not more informed!</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:04:21 -0500</pubDate>
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        	<title>Cheshyr on Juggalo Cartography OR Gathering Map Stuff</title>
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<p><strong>scruffy said </strong><br />
really, what we <em>should</em> be doin, is talkin up all the crummy spots on the grounds, as if theyre cherry camping, and not sayin a damn thing about the nice ones.  no sense drivin up demand for the good sites.
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<p>I'm just giving out observations without suggestions, heh. Really though I've found that there are so many factors involved with being able to say a spot is "crummy" that it's too subjective. I've seen people Gather in spots I would NEVER (even more than being in direct sunlight on a hill) CHOOSE to camp, looking comfortable as fuck. so... I'm sure there's some scrubbalo out there that might have some benefit to camping next to the crappers... people be crazy.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 23:23:26 -0500</pubDate>
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        	<title>scruffy on Juggalo Cartography OR Gathering Map Stuff</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>we really shoulda taken the time to put up the canopy i dragged out there.  it helps. </p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2016 18:49:44 -0500</pubDate>
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        	<title>OCJ_Brendan on Juggalo Cartography OR Gathering Map Stuff</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I mean you did let us come to your hotel room and shower up which was fresh as shit so I guess buying you an extra hour or two of shade was no biggie lol.... Mitchell King broke my sun somewhat but my tent was taller so it didn't help much.  Oh Mitchell you are the shit ...nuff said.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2016 18:31:08 -0500</pubDate>
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        	<title>CellE2057 on Juggalo Cartography OR Gathering Map Stuff</title>
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<strong>OCJ_Brendan said </strong></p>
<p> I imagine itll go close to how last year went with a better plan.  Glo will get lit and then Shaman's Cali Bud will knock her out so shes not grumpy in the morning then you and I and whoever else will go stake our claim when gates open.  Since we know where were going we can get there faster and break out a larger swathe for our crew.  Ima steal the spot @celle2057 had last year though no bullshit because last year my tent was his sun breaker lol.</p>
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<p>We have a pretty big tent this year (complete with shaded "porch" so whoever in our little shantytown needs shade will have it) so where it gets set up is going to be a factor. </p>
<p>Lol yeah, thanks for that btw. It was rather pleasant. </p>
<p>I want to contribute to the actual topic but it seems like Cheshyr really did school it. </p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2016 00:35:05 -0500</pubDate>
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        	<title>phreakcore on Juggalo Cartography OR Gathering Map Stuff</title>
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<p>I suppose that could be a plus but that seems like an even MORE antisocial locale. A possible 'con' being that it is closer to a public road and is most often what everyone's GPS tells them to turn onto as the address of The Gathering so I'm sure there's a bit of u-turn traffic goin' on. I dunno, may put a crimp in someone's naked plans (er' sumthin').</p>
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<p>It was definitely off on an island of its own. Not a lot of people walking through at all. Walk was awful especially coming from Carousel at night. I usually walked back to the main entrance trail past alakazam to the very front of the fence on the parking lot side (non wristband) and busted a left through the parking lot all the way down to kindle rd. The was an opening in that top corner of the fence I could cut through to get on the other side to my tent.</p>
<p>By the time I got there all the area around the perimeter were set up and including the fence right in front of the parking lot. We just said fuckkit and set up on the top of the hill in the middle. we had a slight slope but nothing awful. The one cool thing was though since its parallel to kindle rd you would see the performers who were coming from the back entrance to LV on the golf carts being driven to the seminar/autograph area. And yes there was a lot more car traffic and even trucks going down that road. I would not recommend that area.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2016 23:12:41 -0500</pubDate>
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        	<title>scruffy on Juggalo Cartography OR Gathering Map Stuff</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>really, what we <em>should</em> be doin, is talkin up all the crummy spots on the grounds, as if theyre cherry camping, and not sayin a damn thing about the nice ones.  no sense drivin up demand for the good sites. </p>
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<p>probably wont matter though. </p>
<p>best tactic, honestly, is to run.  faster than every one else around you.  and, as you run, keep your eyes open for the best open spot you can find.  pick one out, set up as much of your camp as you can as fast as you can, then get to coordinating with whoever about bringin in the cars and the rest of the shit.  or hump it yourself, which is doable, but gets old. </p>
<p>if you dont <em>have</em> anyone else to coordinate with, and dont feel like goin back n forth, might as well not bother with a detailed plan.  just keep track of whats goin on around you, move with the herd when its your turn.  hope for the best. </p>
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<p>in my opinion, most plans [other than these two] will have at best a fifty-fifty chance of happenin. </p>
<p>or partial success; some shit works out, some doesnt.  whatever.  ya know, gathering. </p>
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<p><strong>Cheshyr said  </strong><br />
Ay! YO!!!   <br />
 MAPS, Mafkas! MAPS!!! We're looking for FACTS that are not on the MAPS!     </p>
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<p>on the assumption that this is one of those 'off-topic, dammit' things, ill add some not-on-map stuff.</p>
<p>fact:  me and pigg got griped at for daring to set foot in what is now the kayfabe area. </p>
<p>additional fact:  that whole area is, or was, ringed with portos.  theyre spaced apart, so the overall traffic to each is a bit lower.  theres also a bunch clumped up by the wrestling stage, but theyre high traffic, of course. </p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2016 23:07:28 -0500</pubDate>
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<p>MAPS, Mafkas! MAPS!!! We're looking for FACTS that are not on the MAPS! <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="hammer" alt="hammer" src="http://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/wp-content/forum-smileys/Hammer.gif" /></p>
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<p>@phreakcore I stand corrected I guess. I had no idea the usable area beyond the parking lot hills extended that far, as (like NE N.I.A.) I had no call to go over there. I suppose that could be a plus but that seems like an even MORE antisocial locale. A possible 'con' being that it is closer to a public road and is most often what everyone's GPS tells them to turn onto as the address of The Gathering so I'm sure there's a bit of u-turn traffic goin' on. I dunno, may put a crimp in someone's naked plans (er' sumthin').</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2016 22:29:27 -0500</pubDate>
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        	<title>OCJ_Brendan on Juggalo Cartography OR Gathering Map Stuff</title>
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<p><strong>OCJ_Brendan said  </strong></p>
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<p><strong>scruffy said  </strong></p>
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<p><strong>spadedninja4207 said  </strong><br />
 Ive camped right near pimp lights both years had no problems the coco bongo drink people were the nicest ever last year and kept giving us free smoothies   </p>
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<p> shit, you were about thirty meters away from the flh forum collective, last year.   </p>
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<p> And this year.  I liked our spot and will secure it again with a few minor expansions...Gathering willing that is.   </p>
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<p> oh, yeah? </p>
<p> should we push to do the flh forum village there, maybe? </p>
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<p>I imagine itll go close to how last year went with a better plan.  Glo will get lit and then Shaman's Cali Bud will knock her out so shes not grumpy in the morning then you and I and whoever else will go stake our claim when gates open.  Since we know where were going we can get there faster and break out a larger swathe for our crew.  Ima steal the spot @celle2057 had last year though no bullshit because last year my tent was his sun breaker lol.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2016 18:39:21 -0500</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>We had the area behind the smoothie truck along the fence excellent spot wouldnt mind seeing everyone there</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2016 17:10:23 -0500</pubDate>
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<p><strong>OCJ_Brendan said  </strong></p>
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<p><strong>scruffy said  </strong></p>
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<p><strong>spadedninja4207 said  </strong><br />
 Ive camped right near pimp lights both years had no problems the coco bongo drink people were the nicest ever last year and kept giving us free smoothies    </p>
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<p>shit, you were about thirty meters away from the flh forum collective, last year.    </p>
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<p>And this year.  I liked our spot and will secure it again with a few minor expansions...Gathering willing that is.    </p>
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<p>oh, yeah? </p>
<p>should we push to do the flh forum village there, maybe?  </p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2016 16:28:00 -0500</pubDate>
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<p><strong>scruffy said </strong></p>
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<p><strong>spadedninja4207 said </strong><br />
 Ive camped right near pimp lights both years had no problems the coco bongo drink people were the nicest ever last year and kept giving us free smoothies </p>
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<p> shit, you were about thirty meters away from the flh forum collective, last year. </p>
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<p>And this year.  I liked our spot and will secure it again with a few minor expansions...Gathering willing that is.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2016 15:22:15 -0500</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Didn't even realize it cant wait to meet some of you ninjas there this year!</p>
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<p><strong>spadedninja4207 said </strong><br />
Ive camped right near pimp lights both years had no problems the coco bongo drink people were the nicest ever last year and kept giving us free smoothies </p>
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<p>shit, you were about thirty meters away from the flh forum collective, last year.  </p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2016 11:12:26 -0500</pubDate>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Ive camped right near pimp lights both years had no problems the coco bongo drink people were the nicest ever last year and kept giving us free smoothies </p>
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