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scruffy said
aw, he called me a hypocrite.  im sooo ashamed of myself, now.  

i try not to spend weeks dickin around on subjects that are as stupid as this one.  

but knock yourself out.  get your kicks where you can.    

Try not to spend months projecting your hypocrisies oddly only on to me. Call this stupid. How many times have we had this conversation now? How many times have you jumped on me for behaving like a human, even though you behave like a human too? Like you don't spend half your time judging folks and preaching to them about not having a discussion that's up to the Scruffy standard. That is a repetitive and stupid subject.

Called a hypocrite 3 times now.

While on the subject, isn't it funny that you nag people for discussing the drama that YOU don't find interesting while pretending you never participate in drama discussions?

Called a hypocrite 4 times now.

Now you may proceed in pretending you don't care about being a hypocrite.

i try not to spend weeks dickin around on subjects that are as stupid as this one.  

but knock yourself out.  get your kicks where you can.  

scruffy said
well, he had shut the fuck up for several days, but im guessin he aint gonna stay shut the fuck up, since it been dragged back out.  

but then, you didnt want him to shut the fuck up at all.  that much is clear enough.  

what this forum needs, is a debate section.  

somebody made that joke years ago, but more and more, i see the elegance of it.  

separate section, buncha topics abut whichever never-ever-to-be-settled-or-forgotten issue is needin a public challenge or defense by volunteer lawyers.  all that good shit.    

No, he followed me here. He wasn't going to shut the fuck up. Don't act like you don't feed the trolls either.

but then, you didnt want him to shut the fuck up at all.  that much is clear enough.  

what this forum needs, is a debate section.  

somebody made that joke years ago, but more and more, i see the elegance of it.  

separate section, buncha topics abut whichever never-ever-to-be-settled-or-forgotten issue is needin a public challenge or defense by volunteer lawyers.  all that good shit.  

Cheshyr said
Still waiting on those links, Lucem the Liar...

I don't play semantics.

When you assert falsehoods (ie shit you don't know if they are true and correct), that makes you a LIAR.

Links to Non-Disclosure statements or STFU  

I never claimed they exist.

You don't play semantics because they don't work in your favor.

I never asserted a falsehood, YOU actually have.

Prove I said it or shut the fuck up. Or, actually, here's Guest a few pages ago when he told you to shut the fuck up.

Guest said
You would need the contracts to prove or disprove a NDA clause. Nobody makes that kind of thing public. We haven't seen any proof it doesn't exist. Unless you can prove otherwise, you should maybe shut your mouth. You're just speculating like everyone else... difference is, the facts line-up with the existence of a NDA. What evidence is there contrary to the agreements existence? You have none and I'm not checking back here so save your breath.  

I don't play semantics.

When you assert falsehoods (ie shit you don't know if they are true and correct), that makes you a LIAR.

Links to Non-Disclosure statements or STFU

King Lucem Ferre said
I do think they probably should have been making more money, but just as much as ICP? No. They not only owned the label but the whole brand. And Twiztid was not selling as much as ICP either. ICP runs the label, puts together festivals, creates board games, stars in video games, distributes and advertises all the artists, makes movies, has their own comic book series, has a lucrative clothing shop, has toys, their own book, and owns a wrestling company. Why would you expect them to be making just as much money?  

Album wise definitely not but you can't tell me that Twiztid didn't push A LOT of merch and sold the 2nd most on the entire label compared to anyone else along with being the only 2 artist's to stick with Psychopathic Records as long as they did. I don't want what I say to get taken the wrong way either: While it is obvious ICP started the label & put Twiztid on but it also takes 2 to tango if you will and those 2 put in work for a long time. Nobody can deny it. Abominationz was one of the best albums to come out of Psychopathic Records and it did not get the right push. Big Hutch got more of a push than that album did unfortunately. The reality is Twiztid were essentially a instrumental part in expanding Psychopathic Records and bringing to a different level. I have massive respect for all 4 individuals and I do not get into the politics but call a spade a spade. Both groups made Psychopathic Records special in it's full glory. Both sides should have never aired out the dirty laundry and I can guarantee the internet would not have exploded / people picking sides. I could really give a fuck less about any of that. I hope to see Psychopathic & MNE continue being successful and one day they reunite for something.

It seems there is indeed a list, and indeed that list includes people that identify as 'Juggalos'.  At least, according to the ACLU, there is: https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-insane-clown-posse-file-lawsuit-challenging-fbi-gang-designation

Now, I'm no supporter of the ACLU, nor am I particularly against it; they've been known to be highly politicized.  However, they are well regarded in the mainstream as a legitimate organization.

Here's some a link to the text of the appeal to have their case reinstated after being dismissed:

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-.....13422.html

I mean, it certainly looks real to me.  It looks like there's probably some list that is distributed amongst law enforcement agencies, most likely to the detriment of 'Juggalos.'

Whether or not the march is going to have the desired outcome, who knows?  But to dismiss it as a big conspiracy on the part of ICP as some kind of marketing stunt looks petty.

CellE2057 said

King Lucem Ferre said
 So I wonder if it was the fact that they were losing money that pushed them to fight. Not to say that makes them malicious. 

ICP seems to have always tried their best to walk the line between making profit and being sincere. Sometimes they lean too far one way or another but I don't see the march as being any different. To say that they're doing the march simply out of the the goodness of their hearts is just as ridiculous to me as saying that they're only doing it for the potential payday it'll get them. Neither one of those ideas factors in their history and how they seem to go about things.   

The March WILL bring attention, the March WILL bring a pay day, the mainstream media WILL be all over it and if someone doesn't think they won't be than get your head checked. As I am sure they are doing it with good intentions but it definitely isn't 100% out of the goodness of their hearts as you said. 

sketchez said
twiztid always felt that they should've made just as much money as the owners of the company they worked for  

They should have been making just as much money since ICP along with Twiztid were the most popular and best selling artist's on Psychopathic Records.

Killa-Mo187 said
I'm pretty sure by now you all have seen this..

And seconds after this was posted. It blew up like a motherfucker and went viral.... So viral even people who don't even listen to the Wicked Shit mention it on facebook and twitter. It also further spread the flames of the crapfest era we're now all a part of called the "Juggalo Civil War". But I felt there's something missing here... Something big.... Oh yeah. The #1 thing EVERYBODY with a brain must do when they actually see something like this that goes viral on the internet. And that's a simple "Fact Check".

Now keep this in mind. I'm not on Psychopathic's side. I'm not on Majik Ninja's side. I'm 100% neutral party. I honestly feel that this whole situation started from bullshit that could've been handled alot differently that has also lead to situations and things here and there that made things totally worse. And before any of you [even you Mr. Methric] decide to go ahead and say I don't know what I'm talking about. I will explain myself here. I have an associates degree in life sciences [Haven't decided if I'm gonna go ahead and further the education of that and just get my Ph.D in it or not. Dunno if I wanna be referred to as the Wicked Shit Professor or not lol. I think we're best fitted with just 1 Punk Rock Professor instead, Shoutout to Greg Graffin who inspired me to further my education 7 years ago] and I've been apart of enough forums in the wicked underground to know that in this genre. Alot of the decisions made is like a double edge sword. One could be dull and things will be fine. Where the other could be sharper than a diamond's edge and be carrying an explosive device that could shatter everything. Anyways let's continue.

Now there was a couple of things Monoxide said in this reply that had me thinking really hard about some shit. So I went ahead and did my own research. I spent the last 3 nights pulling allnighters, chasing no-doz with pots of coffee, browsed and visited every law enforcement website in existence, and checked out every known declassified document on the whole situation revolving the world "gangs" from my local records office as well as countless books checked out at the library. So without further delay. Here we go.

Bro if juggalos were on a list OF ANY KIND that labeled us as gang members we would ride but we're not on ANY LIST OF ANY KIND so what the fuck? You guys have to do your research fam.

And guess what, Bro [seriously, your in your 40's. Don't try to sound like a fucking douchebag millennial mono. Stop saying "bro" chico]. I did do my research. There is still a database and a list of active and known gang's, domestic terrorist cells, and dangerous origination by the Department of Homeland Security. And Juggalos are still actively on that list alongside MS-13, The Hells Angels, The Triad, and I.S.I.S. so yeah... Do the research? I gladly did sir.

There is no list. Therefore, if you're marching because you think you're on a list but there is no list,
no segregated bathrooms, no juggalos getting murdered everyday, what are we marching for? Plain and simple fam. So called Juggalos all of a sudden giving a fuck about what mainstream America thinks is not a reason to march.

Read what I just said above. Yes there is a list. And it's quite obvious Mr. Methric hasn't been following the latest news and politics lately. There is segregation going on again this time with Transgender's, Muslims, Mexicans, and anybody who's come to this country from Iran, Syria, Iraq, and other Middle Eastern countries. Yeah. And all of a sudden giving a fuck about what "Mainstream" America thinks? It's a Consitutional issue. Because drugs were introduced to the juggalo world in the late 1990's in a harsh way and all of a sudden during the 2000's some juggalos thought it was cool to brandish guns, wear gang colors, and act like a "gangsta" starting shit with real gang members within Latin Counts, Mexican Mafia, MS 13, Compton Bloods, and who knows how many more gangs or clubs are pissed at us because of a lack of intelligence with the new blood of the juggalo family. I've noticed a steep decrease in the use of the brain over the last decade and a half. I've been down since '94. I can exchange notes here.

Go and turn up in Washington to protest what? This mass wronging of us? What about instead of a "march" , starting a non profit organization for juggalos to help with homelessness, mental illness, drug abuse or one of the many other MAJOR factors affecting us as juggalos? National holiday? Street sign ? Tax exemption for juggalos? These are the things we're trying to do.

Okay for this part Pauly I don't what your trying to say here. Are you trying to do your best impression of Mr. 45 or are you just flat our trolling here? There's already non-profit juggalo ran organizations and programs that help the homeless, drug addicts, and other community service. My crew the Juggalo P.U.N.X. are a prime example of this: Since 2010 we've helped 5 metropolitan cities reduce their heroin and homeless numbers by a fraction of what they were back in 1996. We've also helped fix up 20 city playgrounds even helping remove wood chips that contained cynide in them. As far as the Drug Abuse affecting the juggalo world. Well sir we all can't gather every juggalo or juggalette that shoots smack up the arm or smokes meth or bathsalts and tell them to get clean or get the fuck out. Not how it fucking works pal! That's up to the individual themselves. I do agree with you that yes. We do have a big drug problem. But what your failing to mention is that it's partly your fault. You can preach about getting rid of the drugs and underage drinking and blah blah blah. But afterwards you drop a song about getting high. It's just gonna make ya look like a fucking hypocrite man. Last I checked. We're find with an unofficial national holiday every February. A good majority of Juggalos don't work so you can take tax exemption out of the fucking window. And street signs? Leave that for somebody who's more worthy. I'm looking forward to someday going to NYC in the future, getting drunk, and than go piss and puke on the street that will soon be known as Donald Trump Ave but that's another story for another time. Let's continue.

A genuine benefit to the uprising of the juggalo world in its entirety of any sort by marching?

A genuine benefit is that you get to exercise your own constitutional rights. You see if the Republican controlled congress and senate gets their way this week [as they already have with the Trump Administration cabinet. You think there's no segregation yet Pauly? Just wait til ya see what our new Attorney General does. How about Education. Just wait til ya see what Betsy DeVos does... Oh yes.... Welcome to Hell.] there's going to be laws in DC, Michigan, North Dakota, Ohio, New York, New Jersey, and countless other places that will be pretty much prohibiting Peaceful protesting. Hell in North Dakota's law that might pass. A driver who doesn't agree with the protest will have the right to drive through the protest even if he runs over and kills somebody and will not be punished for it. So the benefit your asking? Again. Expressing your freedom of speech. And in this day in age in a country ruled by Mr. 45. Your gonna need that Freedom of Expression and Speech now more than ever.

Sorry bro there is none for juggalos. For 20 years we have said fuck the world fam and we don't plan on changing that for anyone and you shouldn't have to either. Do your research and stand by what you know is right! -Mono

Again. Your in your 40's man. Stop sounding like a fucking hipster with the "bro" crap man. UGH.

Your right. For 20 years you have been saying fuck the world. There's not that many over 20 year's down ninjas left in this fam [besides myself. Scottie D, Vinnie the ICP Kid, Hazhly Haze, my homie WraithKlown, my long lost homegirl Shine, and my idiotic ex gf are probably all that's left of the juggalos down before The Great Milenko] and I can tell ya this. Yeah when we were young yes we were against all authority. Just like our distant relatives in the Punk Rock Community during it's early days. Nobody's telling you to change. Tho those dickriders you gained after your 5 minute video might say different. No we don't want ya to change. Personally I think this whole situation is a big misunderstanding that could've easily be avoided by just checkin' ya fucking ego's at the door and talking it out like human fucking beings.

Nobody has to agree with what I said. I'm just stating the fact's here. Everybody needs to be fact-checked and I felt Mr. Methric needed to be Fact-Checked on a couple of things. And I just felt like voicing my own views as well as explain to him the importance of freedom in this country if we're to all survive the next 4 years. I mean no disrespect or any harm tho I'm pretty fucking sure those who read this are not even gonna read the whole thing and will go straight to talking shit like they normally do [again. An example of the lack of intelligence within the fam over the last decade and a half. Need an example: Look at the fucking idiots wanting to give Blazhey Roze the "South Philadelphia" salute because they don't like her. It's sad and pathetic. I think she needs to learn how to be a better rapper too but I don't want her to fucking get hurt. Jesus.] so we'll leave it at that.

In closing. If you do read this Twiztid. I ment no harm or disrespect and I apologize if this factcheck offends you..

Thanks for reading. MMFCL

-KM-  

If you wanted too school Mr. Methric maybe you should have gone on that facebook post and did exactly what you did on this forum.

King Lucem Ferre said

 So I wonder if it was the fact that they were losing money that pushed them to fight. Not to say that makes them malicious. 

ICP seems to have always tried their best to walk the line between making profit and being sincere. Sometimes they lean too far one way or another but I don't see the march as being any different. To say that they're doing the march simply out of the the goodness of their hearts is just as ridiculous to me as saying that they're only doing it for the potential payday it'll get them. Neither one of those ideas factors in their history and how they seem to go about things.