King Lucem Ferre said
I like learning new words.  

It's a very underappreciated thing to do. 

Awww... Lucem... I'm very disappointed in you.

I thought you were a responsible student but if you feel that coming back to class without your homework and tell us the dog ate it...

I'm sorry but... that makes you a LIAR. One who enjoys lying and promoting falsehoods for your own enjoyment.

Lucem the Liar.

I like the alliteration.

Because we're all about education here, I'll provide you with some textbooks to help you complete YOUR assignment of [dis]proving the "facts" that you assert everyone else around here are not "accepting"...

https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/general-discussion/lets-try-a-positive-discussion/

https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/psychopathic-music/mbk/

(should you need any more resource materials, they might be found in the same place as the links you need to complete your assignment.)

And if you think I'm stupid enough to somehow litigate YOUR accusation against ME for YOU so that you don't have to finish your homework....? You should probably climb back into whatever womb you slimed out of yesterday... dummy.

....man I just woke up. I go to follow up on this thread and motherfuckers are out here threatening ninjas quantum existences it's like ninjas chill it's all fambly put your interdimensional doomsday machines down jesus fuck this escalated quickly

TheFvckinKreeper said
....man I just woke up. I go to follow up on this thread and motherfuckers are out here threatening ninjas quantum existences it's like ninjas chill it's all fambly put your interdimensional doomsday machines down jesus fuck this escalated quickly  

It was fun, not malicious. I even had a cigarette afterwards, it was that good

thatjuggal91 said
Alright on the subject of this topic why doesn't Twiztid just move along.

Honestly it seems like they're trying. the post in this topic is pretty old, all things considered. it's not like they're still going on about it. It's just mother fuckers keep bringing it back up and talking about it more. I mean, I don't know jamie or paul but it seems like they made their peace, gave their statements, and are keeping on keeping on. it's mostly the twiztid haters who need to stfu and move on at this point.

Noah Fence said
I find it laughable that mono says they are trying to get juggalos a tax cut.  

Yeah, that was really fucking stupid.

jiggles the clown said

thatjuggal91 said
Alright on the subject of this topic why doesn't Twiztid just move along.

Honestly it seems like they're trying. the post in this topic is pretty old, all things considered. it's not like they're still going on about it. It's just mother fuckers keep bringing it back up and talking about it more. I mean, I don't know jamie or paul but it seems like they made their peace, gave their statements, and are keeping on keeping on. it's mostly the twiztid haters who need to stfu and move on at this point.  

Exactly my point to Scruffy. A lot of triggered juggalos over this pride parade.

thatjuggal91 said
Alright on the subject of this topic why doesn't Twiztid just move along. ICP is gonna march regardless. I applaud Psychopathic for fighting for their fanbase. ICP built a massive following and all the bullshit going on with the FBI gang list has affected former fans and current fans. The hatchet man means more than ICP these days. Guaranteed if the MNE logo became something the cops were labeling gang related and venues were turning down Twiztid Monoxide WOULD care. At least Psychopathic is looking out for their fanbase.   

You know juggalos have been on local gang lists for a while before the FBI gang label. ICP has known this. DJ Clay even rapped about it. It wasn't until the FBI made that list that that they started doing something. Not directly after. So I wonder if it was the fact that they were losing money that pushed them to fight. Not to say that makes them malicious. It makes Twiztid less malicious then you were trying to make them out to be. Don't ever expect anybody to put you above themselves. It's foolish.

King Lucem Ferre said

 So I wonder if it was the fact that they were losing money that pushed them to fight. Not to say that makes them malicious. 

ICP seems to have always tried their best to walk the line between making profit and being sincere. Sometimes they lean too far one way or another but I don't see the march as being any different. To say that they're doing the march simply out of the the goodness of their hearts is just as ridiculous to me as saying that they're only doing it for the potential payday it'll get them. Neither one of those ideas factors in their history and how they seem to go about things. 

Killa-Mo187 said
I'm pretty sure by now you all have seen this..

And seconds after this was posted. It blew up like a motherfucker and went viral.... So viral even people who don't even listen to the Wicked Shit mention it on facebook and twitter. It also further spread the flames of the crapfest era we're now all a part of called the "Juggalo Civil War". But I felt there's something missing here... Something big.... Oh yeah. The #1 thing EVERYBODY with a brain must do when they actually see something like this that goes viral on the internet. And that's a simple "Fact Check".

 

Now keep this in mind. I'm not on Psychopathic's side. I'm not on Majik Ninja's side. I'm 100% neutral party. I honestly feel that this whole situation started from bullshit that could've been handled alot differently that has also lead to situations and things here and there that made things totally worse. And before any of you [even you Mr. Methric] decide to go ahead and say I don't know what I'm talking about. I will explain myself here. I have an associates degree in life sciences [Haven't decided if I'm gonna go ahead and further the education of that and just get my Ph.D in it or not. Dunno if I wanna be referred to as the Wicked Shit Professor or not lol. I think we're best fitted with just 1 Punk Rock Professor instead, Shoutout to Greg Graffin who inspired me to further my education 7 years ago] and I've been apart of enough forums in the wicked underground to know that in this genre. Alot of the decisions made is like a double edge sword. One could be dull and things will be fine. Where the other could be sharper than a diamond's edge and be carrying an explosive device that could shatter everything. Anyways let's continue.

Now there was a couple of things Monoxide said in this reply that had me thinking really hard about some shit. So I went ahead and did my own research. I spent the last 3 nights pulling allnighters, chasing no-doz with pots of coffee, browsed and visited every law enforcement website in existence, and checked out every known declassified document on the whole situation revolving the world "gangs" from my local records office as well as countless books checked out at the library. So without further delay. Here we go.

Bro if juggalos were on a list OF ANY KIND that labeled us as gang members we would ride but we're not on ANY LIST OF ANY KIND so what the fuck? You guys have to do your research fam.

And guess what, Bro [seriously, your in your 40's. Don't try to sound like a fucking douchebag millennial mono. Stop saying "bro" chico]. I did do my research. There is still a database and a list of active and known gang's, domestic terrorist cells, and dangerous origination by the Department of Homeland Security. And Juggalos are still actively on that list alongside MS-13, The Hells Angels, The Triad, and I.S.I.S. so yeah... Do the research? I gladly did sir.

There is no list. Therefore, if you're marching because you think you're on a list but there is no list,
no segregated bathrooms, no juggalos getting murdered everyday, what are we marching for? Plain and simple fam. So called Juggalos all of a sudden giving a fuck about what mainstream America thinks is not a reason to march.

Read what I just said above. Yes there is a list. And it's quite obvious Mr. Methric hasn't been following the latest news and politics lately. There is segregation going on again this time with Transgender's, Muslims, Mexicans, and anybody who's come to this country from Iran, Syria, Iraq, and other Middle Eastern countries. Yeah. And all of a sudden giving a fuck about what "Mainstream" America thinks? It's a Consitutional issue. Because drugs were introduced to the juggalo world in the late 1990's in a harsh way and all of a sudden during the 2000's some juggalos thought it was cool to brandish guns, wear gang colors, and act like a "gangsta" starting shit with real gang members within Latin Counts, Mexican Mafia, MS 13, Compton Bloods, and who knows how many more gangs or clubs are pissed at us because of a lack of intelligence with the new blood of the juggalo family. I've noticed a steep decrease in the use of the brain over the last decade and a half. I've been down since '94. I can exchange notes here.

Go and turn up in Washington to protest what? This mass wronging of us? What about instead of a "march" , starting a non profit organization for juggalos to help with homelessness, mental illness, drug abuse or one of the many other MAJOR factors affecting us as juggalos? National holiday? Street sign ? Tax exemption for juggalos? These are the things we're trying to do.

Okay for this part Pauly I don't what your trying to say here. Are you trying to do your best impression of Mr. 45 or are you just flat our trolling here? There's already non-profit juggalo ran organizations and programs that help the homeless, drug addicts, and other community service. My crew the Juggalo P.U.N.X. are a prime example of this: Since 2010 we've helped 5 metropolitan cities reduce their heroin and homeless numbers by a fraction of what they were back in 1996. We've also helped fix up 20 city playgrounds even helping remove wood chips that contained cynide in them. As far as the Drug Abuse affecting the juggalo world. Well sir we all can't gather every juggalo or juggalette that shoots smack up the arm or smokes meth or bathsalts and tell them to get clean or get the fuck out. Not how it fucking works pal! That's up to the individual themselves. I do agree with you that yes. We do have a big drug problem. But what your failing to mention is that it's partly your fault. You can preach about getting rid of the drugs and underage drinking and blah blah blah. But afterwards you drop a song about getting high. It's just gonna make ya look like a fucking hypocrite man. Last I checked. We're find with an unofficial national holiday every February. A good majority of Juggalos don't work so you can take tax exemption out of the fucking window. And street signs? Leave that for somebody who's more worthy. I'm looking forward to someday going to NYC in the future, getting drunk, and than go piss and puke on the street that will soon be known as Donald Trump Ave but that's another story for another time. Let's continue.

A genuine benefit to the uprising of the juggalo world in its entirety of any sort by marching?

A genuine benefit is that you get to exercise your own constitutional rights. You see if the Republican controlled congress and senate gets their way this week [as they already have with the Trump Administration cabinet. You think there's no segregation yet Pauly? Just wait til ya see what our new Attorney General does. How about Education. Just wait til ya see what Betsy DeVos does... Oh yes.... Welcome to Hell.] there's going to be laws in DC, Michigan, North Dakota, Ohio, New York, New Jersey, and countless other places that will be pretty much prohibiting Peaceful protesting. Hell in North Dakota's law that might pass. A driver who doesn't agree with the protest will have the right to drive through the protest even if he runs over and kills somebody and will not be punished for it. So the benefit your asking? Again. Expressing your freedom of speech. And in this day in age in a country ruled by Mr. 45. Your gonna need that Freedom of Expression and Speech now more than ever.

Sorry bro there is none for juggalos. For 20 years we have said fuck the world fam and we don't plan on changing that for anyone and you shouldn't have to either. Do your research and stand by what you know is right! -Mono

Again. Your in your 40's man. Stop sounding like a fucking hipster with the "bro" crap man. UGH.

Your right. For 20 years you have been saying fuck the world. There's not that many over 20 year's down ninjas left in this fam [besides myself. Scottie D, Vinnie the ICP Kid, Hazhly Haze, my homie WraithKlown, my long lost homegirl Shine, and my idiotic ex gf are probably all that's left of the juggalos down before The Great Milenko] and I can tell ya this. Yeah when we were young yes we were against all authority. Just like our distant relatives in the Punk Rock Community during it's early days. Nobody's telling you to change. Tho those dickriders you gained after your 5 minute video might say different. No we don't want ya to change. Personally I think this whole situation is a big misunderstanding that could've easily be avoided by just checkin' ya fucking ego's at the door and talking it out like human fucking beings.

 

Nobody has to agree with what I said. I'm just stating the fact's here. Everybody needs to be fact-checked and I felt Mr. Methric needed to be Fact-Checked on a couple of things. And I just felt like voicing my own views as well as explain to him the importance of freedom in this country if we're to all survive the next 4 years. I mean no disrespect or any harm tho I'm pretty fucking sure those who read this are not even gonna read the whole thing and will go straight to talking shit like they normally do [again. An example of the lack of intelligence within the fam over the last decade and a half. Need an example: Look at the fucking idiots wanting to give Blazhey Roze the "South Philadelphia" salute because they don't like her. It's sad and pathetic. I think she needs to learn how to be a better rapper too but I don't want her to fucking get hurt. Jesus.] so we'll leave it at that.

 

In closing. If you do read this Twiztid. I ment no harm or disrespect and I apologize if this factcheck offends you..

 

Thanks for reading. MMFCL

-KM-  

If you wanted too school Mr. Methric maybe you should have gone on that facebook post and did exactly what you did on this forum.

I do think they probably should have been making more money, but just as much as ICP? No. They not only owned the label but the whole brand. And Twiztid was not selling as much as ICP either. ICP runs the label, puts together festivals, creates board games, stars in video games, distributes and advertises all the artists, makes movies, has their own comic book series, has a lucrative clothing shop, has toys, their own book, and owns a wrestling company. Why would you expect them to be making just as much money?

King Lucem Ferre said
I do think they probably should have been making more money, but just as much as ICP? No. They not only owned the label but the whole brand. And Twiztid was not selling as much as ICP either. ICP runs the label, puts together festivals, creates board games, stars in video games, distributes and advertises all the artists, makes movies, has their own comic book series, has a lucrative clothing shop, has toys, their own book, and owns a wrestling company. Why would you expect them to be making just as much money?  

Album wise definitely not but you can't tell me that Twiztid didn't push A LOT of merch and sold the 2nd most on the entire label compared to anyone else along with being the only 2 artist's to stick with Psychopathic Records as long as they did. I don't want what I say to get taken the wrong way either: While it is obvious ICP started the label & put Twiztid on but it also takes 2 to tango if you will and those 2 put in work for a long time. Nobody can deny it. Abominationz was one of the best albums to come out of Psychopathic Records and it did not get the right push. Big Hutch got more of a push than that album did unfortunately. The reality is Twiztid were essentially a instrumental part in expanding Psychopathic Records and bringing to a different level. I have massive respect for all 4 individuals and I do not get into the politics but call a spade a spade. Both groups made Psychopathic Records special in it's full glory. Both sides should have never aired out the dirty laundry and I can guarantee the internet would not have exploded / people picking sides. I could really give a fuck less about any of that. I hope to see Psychopathic & MNE continue being successful and one day they reunite for something.