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New Twiztid interview. Criticisms.
March 8, 2019
10:08 am
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https://faygoluvers.net/v5/2019/03/twiztid-interviewed-on-the-all-out-show-with-rude-jude-full-interview-audio/

mikeysinder

Comment posted on 9 hours ago at 1:13 am

I love the way these 2 cock suckers aka Twiztid act as if they weren’t the ones who started talking a whole gang of shit on ICP well before ICP ever had a problem with them. Also consider this, these 2 douchebags at one point said YES to the March live show, then later it was cancelled, if everything they’re saying in this interview is true then why say yes at all? They have become pros at talking out their asses, Paul says no disses on ICP from their side? What a shit talker, acting like he didn’t know damn well one of the main rappers on his label didn’t diss J on a track, SplitinthisPaint, if Paul claims he wasn’t dissing in his verse he’s a shit talking asshole, pretty sure that Year of the Sword album had sneak disses on it at them aswell. Yes Monoxide, J told you it was a publicity stunt to your face, and to several cameras when asked about it…..you fucking idiot lol. How many times has ICP stated that it was in fact a publicity stunt for the juggalos.

Cherryfuzz

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Oh and btw they LIED about trying not to have involvement with the eminem beef! What y’all forget about slim anus?? Jamie did you forget about nothin but a bitch thang?!

 

My own statements to come...

March 8, 2019
10:14 am
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10 minute mark.
Paul starts to address the "gang list." They were assessed. He mentions how Juggalos were taken off the list after 2011. HE IS CORRECT!!! Paul is also correct that the original lawsuit was to demand information asking why they were assessed in the first place. Well, it's all there in the 2011 report, Paul. 4 states had classified Juggalos as a gang and many Juggalos clicked up with other gangs to do gang shit. California, Utah, Pennsylvania and Arizona. That's why the FBI had to take a look at Juggalos. Because of what other states had done and had told the FBI about the problems they were having.

11:45.
Jamie says they had their own opinion on how the scenario should be addressed. Theirs was to say get legal services for these people that had this stigma. Like maybe not getting in the army or losing their kids in custody cases.

12:15.
Paul says when they looked deeper, they lost their kids because of something else. Not because of musical taste. Jamie says there was always a backstory that was being overlooked.

12:45.
Jamie says the police all across the nation do assessments. He talks about hypothetical "hatchet riders" and "milenko crew" cliques that do exist. He admits this. But the police only talk to each other and that's the extent of it. Not every Juggalo is thought of as a potential gang member.

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March 8, 2019
10:26 am
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19:30
Paul talks about too many ultimatums that they were being given and they just got sick of it. So now the split in opinion on how to handle the gang list and other ultimatums were multiple factors in them leaving. Funny how neither of those two mention the fuckups when Psychopathic didn't promote Abominationz or even have enough physical cds ready for the first run of orders. I have read a youtube comment on a bestfriendssincebirth twiztid reaction video that this same shit with lack of cds ALSO happened for Heartbroken and Homicidal. If that's true, two cds in a row, I would wanna leave the fuckin label too.

About ultimatums, J even said in the faygoluvers interview in 2017 that they told Twiztid they may get backlash if they didn't march. But obviously this was AFTER Twiztid had left and it was BEFORE the march. But since Twiztid signed a non disclosure agreement, they can't get too specific.

19:50
Jamie says it's hard not to shit sling. Really? What point in time are you talking about? Were you trying to hold your tongue while you were on tour still on Psychopathic Records, all pissed off about how they dropped the ball on Abominationz? Are you talking about years later? What about what they were caught on camera saying backstage to that one dude? While correct about the gang list, they didn't seem to get that Boondox was not the chickenboy scarecrow that ICP was throwing into the crowds in the 90's so they could tear it up. That scarecrow represented racist rednecks. Boondox is not that and ICP always knew it. They also made a snide comment about the "We're not sorry if we tricked you," line from Thy Unveiling. What about the claims that you have had sneak disses on year of the sword and in the song splitinthispaint?

I'm not too familiar with the disses on Year of the Sword. Maybe someone could clue me in. As for splitinthispaint, Paul is saying there is a cancer that needs to be eliminated. How do we know he means Violent J for sure? That's stretching it. It's too vague. Could he not be talking about fans that are spreading misinformation such as Twiztid betrayed Juggalos for not marching? LOL. Because that is bullshit and I have proven it again and again in more than one topic here.

A youtube posted comment said this:

I’ve been reported to gang task force and I was in solitary confinement for my celly having icp “gang material”. I couldn’t get ANY icp stuff into the jail because it was “gang related”. Fuk Twiztid

What this guy leaves out is that he is from one of the four states that Juggalos have been documented to actually bang like gangs and clique up with other gangs. CALIFORNIA. He wears a damn shirt with that word on it in nearly all his videos. How fucking stupid is he? Other Juggalos ruined it for you. But if your CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS have been violated in any way, file a section 1983 lawsuit like the panel of judges said in the court audio that was released over a year ago when the judges were taking another look at the case. If you lose the 1983 lawsuit, you probably don't have a case and were probably breaking the law. LOL.

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March 8, 2019
10:50 am
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23:45
They get into talking about Eminem knowing them and being a fan of House of Krazees. And how Eminem told them he was about to sign with Dre. They claim that instead of Eminem having to pay to get on in shows, they just let him on when HOK did shows. Could be true. If they helped him, that makes them nice guys about the whole thing, I'd say. Eminem goes to the rap olympics and has someone tell Paul basically, I told you so. I'm signing with Dre.

 

24:50.
Paul says he was telling Eminem about the ICP beef, "Look we don't have shit to do with this." They asked ICP to not be involved apparently. "That was a fucked up situation."

25:30
Interviewer restates, "You guys stayed out of it at the end of the day." I hear a "Yep" and I don't know if it's from Jamie or Paul. But Jamie apparently left out how HE offered his services to Slim Anus and Nothing but a Bitch Thang. However it is true that PAUL HIMSELF did NOT participate in any of the diss tracks ICP made to Eminem. Paul then says "we were the ones who ended up getting a hold of Proof and them, trying to squash this crazy dumb shit. So Proof was with it. Everybody met up at a bowling alley and squashed it. Just like that." Hmmm. Does anyone remember these videos like this that are allegedly Esham Smith's words from years ago detailing his past disappointments with J and Psychopathic Records?  Esham claims HE helped squash the beef between ICP and Eminem.

 

26:50
Paul still talking about how he was amazed back then that Dre scooped up Eminem.

28:20
They mention Kid Rock and how he used to rap and how many rappers would put flyers on cars back in the day.

March 8, 2019
10:58 pm
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You need to understand that Twiztid can do literally nothing to make it up to whoever they pissed off.  If they respond as they did in the interview, they're wrong.  If they lie and tell you what you want to hear, they fucked up and they're wrong.  There's nothing that can be done, unfortunately.

The Eminem thing is funny.  It's no secret that he's as famous as he is solely because of the push he got from Dre.  But as it turns out, he's also good in his own right.

As far as people hating Twiztid and all associated artists no matter what just because of the dumb shit they say, I find it amusing to a certain degree.  I'd bet a good amount of money that people would have been loving the shit out of several of these artists if they had made the same identical songs that they released through MNE but instead released them through Psychopathic.  It honestly surprised me how positive of a response Ouija Macc got considering that he's not at all what Psy usually associates with.  Had they signed someone like G-mo, I bet people would have loved it because he's got bars forever and he has his flow nailed down.  The only thing is that he'd only have one project out by now and not working on #4.  That's not hate, that's just how they do things.

At the end of the day, here's where I stand on Twiztid's fuck-ups.  The march thing isn't that bad.  There were like 200 artists that were asked and their responses were put up publicly so people could flame them if they said no.  Of those 200, they got Bukshot.  And Twiztid said why.  It doesn't even matter if they believe in the gang label to me.  The reason they stated was that they saw it as an ICP promo which is the only thing that ended up coming of it even though it went well.  The Young Wicked thing is not music related.  If someone told you "you can keep your job, but you have to do it completely off site, not talk to anyone, know that both of your bosses hate your guts, and you get a pay cut," would you work that job or find a new one?  The diss tracks.  Juggalos talking shit...yea, that's a new one.  What else they do?  Selling shirts and music?  What, do they think they're a fucking record label or something?  Jesus.

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March 8, 2019
11:55 pm
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CPN's take on the interview.  Start at 41 minutes 44 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIulwW52AUc#t=41m44s

March 8, 2019
11:59 pm
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Lemme guess... he think's they're on some hoe shit for everything they said.  What do I win?

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March 9, 2019
12:16 am
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CPN is upset about.

1. Jamie Madrox not mentioning his role in Eminem diss tracks.

2. Twiztid apparently getting the whole gang list/march thing wrong. Sorry, but Chuck Reeves and Twiztid were right about the march and the so called list, and what it really meant. JAMIE DIDN'T DENY that certain Juggalo street crews existed and did gang shit that made cops take a second look at them. All he demands is personal responsibility. If a bunch of Juggalos do gang shit they ruin it for the rest. I made this point again and again. There is a footnote in the 2011 NGIC list that clearly states NOT EVERY JUGGALO IS A SUSPECTED GANG MEMBER. If police forces IGNORE THAT, then that is NOT THE FAULT of the FBI.

3. Even though Twiztid mentioned their 2012 falling out with ICP over the gang list, CPN is upset they neglected to mention that siding with Young Wicked is what made ICP shun them for good.

4. CPN also claims that in a Gathering Seminar in 2012 or 2013, Violent J even back then was talking about suing the FBI. CPN mentions this fact to show that J did care and wanted to do something to stop it RIGHT AWAY. CPN would say of Violent J that it's untrue that Violent J would wait years to do it because he just wanted publicity all of a sudden and didn't really give a fuck about Juggalos.

March 9, 2019
12:21 am
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1. All people who know Twiztid are aware of that.

2. Old news.

3. Not music related.  He wanted a job.

4. The March was years later.

He should just record his opinion on his vinyl and then scratch it and livestream that record playing.  Why waste the bandwidth with hours long streams about the same fucking shit?

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March 9, 2019
12:42 am
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1. All people who know Twiztid are aware of that.

But I'm sure the radio DJ and other listeners who are unfamiliar with the history don't know that Jamie involved himself in it. By not mentioning it, one could argue that Jamie is attempting to let people get the impression that he was never involved. He seems to be not deliberately not clarifying. Is he afraid of his own past? One may call that lying by omission.

March 9, 2019
12:44 am
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Right.  But be honest.  If you introduce someone to juggalo rap or just Twiztid in general, where does Psychopathics from Outer Space Part 1 fall on the list of what they're going to check out first?

March 9, 2019
12:49 am
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He's still not setting the record straight. He is still leaving out details. It could be argued Jamie is trying to wash his hands of his part in the old Eminem diss tracks. At which point we would have to wonder why he would want to do something like that. It's over. The beef was squashed. ICP makes no secret of their beef. Why does Jamie have to omit his role? What is he afraid or ashamed of? Why can't he own up to it?

CPN also said there was an interview Paul did in the mirror mirror era where he was asked about a rumour about him beating Eminem in a freestyle, and a fight breaking out with Paul almost getting tossed offstage. He dispels the rumour and says he barely knew Eminem, if at all, back in those days. Contrast that with how he now talks about how close he and Eminem were back then.

I would like to see this original interview CPN is talking about.

March 9, 2019
12:51 am
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I respect your criticisms, vinyllover. Just stop with the CPN and Chuck Reeves shit. Both of those guys are fucking garbage and shouldn't be given any attention. 

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March 9, 2019
12:53 am
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Yea, a lot of the stuff CPN talks about would be cool to see.  The problem is that a lot of it simply doesn't exist.

And why the fuck would Jamie got out of his way to stir up shit with Eminem?  That was like 20 years ago, and he's on it only because he can do a better Eminem impression than J and Shaggy.

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March 9, 2019
1:00 am
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If ICP has nothing to hide about the beef in the past, why does Jamie? That's CPN's point. And mine too if I'm honest.

March 9, 2019
1:27 am
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I live in Utah, one of those 4 states. Juggalos have been considered a gang since at least 2006. Nothing any where near as harsh has happened as ICP insinuate, that I've seen. I had a job at a Junior High school and the principal knew I was a juggalo. This was right when the assessment happened. She made comments about her distaste for juggalos but she still hired me, kept me and wanted me to stay when I left. I've seen mild police harassment. I've experienced mild police harassment. Pre and post juggalo though.  It didn't matter, cops are assholes. I felt targeted, and I know cops in Magna hated juggalos, but I honestly never saw anything that justified the idea that I was being persecuted by the law for musical taste. My personal actions always determined how I was handled. They would tend to know who was a problem and who wasn't. There were plenty of juggalos that I met that claimed that they 'bang juggalo'. Most of them from downtown Salt Lake, the druggie homeless shelter juggalos. I had one high school cop that hated juggalos. One that liked juggalos. The cop at the junior high I worked at was a big Natas fan. Everything Twiztid is saying and everything vinyl is saying is shit I'v been saying for a while. It's hyperbolic, melodramatic bullshit that's disrespectful towards actual discrimination.

March 9, 2019
5:20 am
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This is dumb as fuck. CPN is a fucking unwashed dildo.

If you are reading this and are still salty about Twiztid 7 years later...you are a fucking unwashed dildo.

I mean, seriously, let it the fuck go. Let it the fuck go...

God damn goobers

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March 9, 2019
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Slumerican502 said
This is dumb as fuck. CPN is a fucking unwashed dildo.

If you are reading this and are still salty about Twiztid 7 years later...you are a fucking unwashed dildo.

I mean, seriously, let it the fuck go. Let it the fuck go...

God damn goobers  

it goes both ways...I left a comment on that Magic Spells track they dropped on youtube simply saying I didn't care for Monoxide's singing and almost instantly had one of their stans bringing up FFF when I didn't mention that at all lol basically you can't say you don't like a Twiztid song or a particular aspect of a Twiztid song without one of their dickriders chiming in with "well ICP sucks too!!!" lmao it's all childish really and I really hope this beef between camps is put to bed soon because so far all we've gotten is subliminals (mostly) from both sides and fans running each other down 

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March 9, 2019
8:04 am
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vinyllover said
He seems to be not deliberately not clarifying. Is he afraid of his own past? One may call that lying by omission.  

Wasn't just omission though. At 25:28 Rude Jude asked "but you guys stayed out of it [the beef], at the end of the day?" and you can hear Jamie (not just Mono) mutter something like "abso-[lutely], yeah". Or am I hearing it wrong? Because otherwise that's just a straight up lie.

March 9, 2019
8:11 am
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I said from the very beginning that the March was just a way for J to try to flex his ego and he's just got his panties in a twist that nobody wanted to help him live out his fantasies.

It's the same reason the young wicked problem even exists. Samantha is a grown ass woman, YW is a grown ass man. They're able to make their own fucking choices, their own fucking mistakes, etc. J is just fucking mad because he wants to pretend he's the big boss don. YW fucking Samantha proves that he isn't in control and thats why it pisses him off.

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