most bars in Montreal ask for an ID even if you are a senior unless you are a regular you need an ID

the best is when they ask for your ID at the SQDC and you are wearing a facemask and have a full beard and in your ID picture you don't and they still let you in and sell you weed

King Lucem Ferre said
I'm pretty sure Slam was talking about Dustin.

From how the Twitter rant played out.

I have no problem believing these artists, all of em, have fucked underaged girls do to a failure to ID them. Groupie culture can get pretty nasty. This shit happens all the time at parties.

Check them IDs, fellas.  

Oh yeah, I forgot about Dustin. That could be it. 

And yes, do check the IDs, I knew a 14 year old who could have passed for 20 and nobody would question it.

As for "all of em" having done it, yeah probably, except for maybe shaggy, but if it wasn't intentional, I can't bring myself to care. 

Still tho, check Ids. 

From how the Twitter rant played out.

I have no problem believing these artists, all of em, have fucked underaged girls do to a failure to ID them. Groupie culture can get pretty nasty. This shit happens all the time at parties.

Check them IDs, fellas.

TWIZTID could sample this song on a new single & call it Brass Ballz:

YouTube Video Bruce Springsteen - I'm On Fire (Official Video)

In fact this is almost insultingly absurd in how indirect it is.

We are literally talking about non-screenshotted responses to a deleted (abliet screenshotted) tweet, alleging with no evidence that somebody that person has a known public beef with did something wrong.

These are LITERALLY 2nd hand accounts of a 2nd or potentially 3rd hand accounts from somebody with a known and obvious motive to defame monoxide. All with no evidence.

And beyond the 2nd hand accounts of a 3rd hand account on a deleted twitter account, we have, per the admission of the youtubers this thread was started with, literally youtube comments being used as citations.

The grand entirety of anything resembling actual proof is "Paul is fucking weird".

Which isn't exactly scientific, and moreover could just as easily be used as a reason why he was the target of the defamation.

Like, if you're trying to ruin twiztid's career, of course you're gonna single out Paul. 

And Sugar Slam's completely interdict "Accusation by implication" she played before deleting everything just screams "I want to defame someone but I don't want to get sued"

In fact her initial wording was SO non-specific that some thought she may have been talking about J. Which seems to not be the case now, but holy shit if that's not a giant red flag I don't know what is.  

These are the tactics of a high schooler trying to start rumors about a girl she doesn't like, not a whistleblower trying to make an unbelievably important accusation against a corrupt celebrity.

I still haven't even seen a screenshot or even quoting that showed her name off Paul specifically, no sane human being would handle it like this.

I'm not saying she didn't name off Paul, but if she did she deleted her account so soon after there's no way to interpret it other than "start the fire, run away before the lawsuit" 

And lastly there's the people other than Sugar Slam saying shit, all of whom appear to be anonymous nameless faces with nothing to lose.

I follow internet mystery stuff all the time, and I can tell you that "random fucker in the comment section" is the least credible source on the entire planet. 

The number of Juggalos who want Twizitd to DIE is uncountable. Half the fam I've known Irl were in that boat. 

You really think they wouldn't toss "yeah he fucked my sister" into a youtube comment section to try to get to them? Do you know how little effort that takes? 

I have a soul and a moral compass so I am incapable of doing so, but if I didn't have those things it would take exactly 20 seconds for me to type "oh yeah my homegirl from highschool fucked him when we were 15", that's all I would need to do and I'd have exactly as much credibility as every single one of these accusations. 

jiggles the clown said
See. My problem isn't that "there's no proof".

If some girl came on here and specifically said "monoxide child raped me. It happened at this place, around this time". I would probably believe her unless there was a specific reason to think she was lying.

But that's not what any of this is 

It's always someone uninvolved making the accusations. Sugar slam saying he rapes young girls. People saying "hey my homies sister is 15 and she fucked him". Shit like that.

That is what makes it hard to believe for me. If this is true, I really want the victims to start coming out and naming him. Especially because if this is a pattern of behavior, it's easier for other victims to come out and be heard once other people start telling their stories. It also let's the behavior be public and protects other women from being victimized in the future 

I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm not saying it couldn't have happened.

I'm saying, I'm not going to believe sugar slam when she says she heard from someone else...

I'm not going to believe some dude on youtube going "yeah man my homies girlfriends sisters best friend..."

Fuck the hearsay. Fuck this rumor mill bullshit.  

Yeah man I agree with what you're saying for sure. That's why in my case I was making more of a general comment and said I would not speak to this specific Monoxide thing because I don't know the situation and so far it's exactly what you said, not really any first-hand accounts. But also like you said, IF it really is a thing, then hopefully these ladies can come forward and dude can pay the price. 

If some girl came on here and specifically said "monoxide child raped me. It happened at this place, around this time". I would probably believe her unless there was a specific reason to think she was lying.

But that's not what any of this is 

It's always someone uninvolved making the accusations. Sugar slam saying he rapes young girls. People saying "hey my homies sister is 15 and she fucked him". Shit like that.

That is what makes it hard to believe for me. If this is true, I really want the victims to start coming out and naming him. Especially because if this is a pattern of behavior, it's easier for other victims to come out and be heard once other people start telling their stories. It also let's the behavior be public and protects other women from being victimized in the future 

I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm not saying it couldn't have happened.

I'm saying, I'm not going to believe sugar slam when she says she heard from someone else...

I'm not going to believe some dude on youtube going "yeah man my homies girlfriends sisters best friend..."

Fuck the hearsay. Fuck this rumor mill bullshit.

BodeeBagz said
@Chevy2Dope

Yeah I see that and that is what makes it so tough :(

But I see it as more the law/courts/judicial systems fault for making this type of thing so hard more than people believing the alleged victim as the general rule for ALL crime and prosecution IS you need evidence which makes it tough. Suspects can pretty much admit to their crimes without confession and be like "What evidence you got? you eint got shit" and walk.

Sexual shit is probably the easiest crime to get away with because of that. I mean they can have a fucker in court and everyone knows they did the murder/robbery whatever and without proper evidence let them go even though they're a danger   

Well said. Yeah really I just wanted to take the chance to kind of point out the "she ain't got no proof!" sort of mentality can be dangerous and you hit it on the head about how the legal system makes it really hard too. 

Yeah I see that and that is what makes it so tough :(

But I see it as more the law/courts/judicial systems fault for making this type of thing so hard more than people believing the alleged victim as the general rule for ALL crime and prosecution IS you need evidence which makes it tough. Suspects can pretty much admit to their crimes without confession and be like "What evidence you got? you eint got shit" and walk.

Sexual shit is probably the easiest crime to get away with because of that. I mean they can have a fucker in court and everyone knows they did the murder/robbery whatever and without proper evidence let them go even though they're a danger 

MASTERWEEDO said
I remember the stories from like 20 years ago, back when Horrorcore.com was a thing. Noone ever posted proof.

I think there are these allegations against almost every artist.  

I'm just making a general comment here not necessarily related to Monoxide at all. I don't know the situation nor would I ever want to speculate on something so serious. 

But this thing about "proof" is a really tricky subject. People always want the "perfect" rape or sexual abuse with pictures, texts, video, etc. but that's often just not going to be the case. Yes, there absolutely are women that make false allegations to get something out of it, but I hate to see real allegations swept under the rug because there's no "proof" other than that woman's word. Like I said, it's tricky. But it's also the reason why there are so many rapes/abuse stories that go unreported because women don't feel as though they will be heard or believed which is pretty fucked up. 

I think there are these allegations against almost every artist.