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March 8, 2016
6:49 pm
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A while back one of the wachowski siblings came out as trans after working on cloud atlas. 

Recently, so did the other. Lilly and Lana wachowski are transgender film directors and if you've never seen their work outside of the matrix, i strongly recommend cloud atlas and sense8.

Good for her on getting to love her truth!

This is especially funny since mra types use references to the sisters work on the matrix as their calling card. Red pills being their refusal to accept the complexities of human experience which they view as some kind of feminist conspiracy. But now that movie was created by two lgbt women. Lol.

 

March 8, 2016
8:40 pm
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They were never men, they only looked like men.

Anyway, i didn't see speed racer. Maybe i should. 

I thought sense8 was dope as fuck if you ignore the subtle racism. And cloud atlas is one of my favorite flicks.

To your point about transitioning, speed racer and matrix sequels and v for vendetta ( their weakest movie imo) were made when everybody thought they were men. 

 

March 9, 2016
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Mr. Tidwell said
They were never men, they only looked like men...
 

In the spirit of reasonable debate, the medical community may disagree. In 2011 Sweden's Karolinska Institute released some interesting stuff:

"the long-term study—up to 30 years— followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription."

http://www.breitbart.com/big-j.....-disorder/

I find any suicide tragic, and think the jury is still out concerning the transgender issue (e.g. Johns Hopkins no longer performs sex-reassignment surgery for reasons similar to facts cited in the Swedish study.) Maybe instead of approaching a complex issue thinking you have all the answers or with identity politics, new questions are demanded from proper medical studies and observable data. Science rules, as balanced with

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March 9, 2016
12:46 pm
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Most transgender people end up with massive medical bills and face constant harassment from those who presume to know more about their experiences than they do. Nearly half of all trans people experience homelessness and extreme poverty. Something like 2/3rds are sexually assaulted. Worse yet, much of the abuse comes from medical professionals who they are forced to interact with even after abuse occurs because of limited options and the laws around sexual reassignment surgery are incredibly convoluted and include forced therapy sessions. On top of that, constant dead naming and misgendering, and forced outtings. It's really easy to see why people might kill themselves if they have to deal with all of that.

But you're right showing basic common respect of letting them define themselves is totally out of balance :-/

 

March 9, 2016
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I don't ascribe to victim culture. Trans are people too, and a medical community has ethical considerations while properly treating what is clinically perceived as a mental disorder. I don't expect to tell a doctor how to treat me (I stubbed my toe, give me Morphine!) so as another human, a trans doesn't have a right to dictate what a medical professional does either. That seems more like consumer culture dictating what the medical establishment is obliged to do. Scary stuff.

Mr. Tidwell said

...But you're right showing basic common respect of letting them define themselves is totally out of balance :-/

P.S. Define identity all you want, make all the silly faces you want; cutting off viable body parts is serious business, and some doctors aren't convinced it's warranted as treatment.

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March 9, 2016
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krunkazphuk said

Mr. Tidwell said
They were never men, they only looked like men...
 

In the spirit of reasonable debate, the medical community may disagree. In 2011 Sweden's Karolinska Institute released some interesting stuff:

"the long-term study—up to 30 years— followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription."

http://www.breitbart.com/big-j.....-disorder/

I've read studies that disagree with that, or at least, provide an alternative explanation. If you're interested I'll find some and link em but I'm definitely going to read the study (I'm basing my reply on your summation). 

 and think the jury is still out concerning the transgender issue (e.g. Johns Hopkins no longer performs sex-reassignment surgery for reasons similar to facts cited in the Swedish study.)

^this^  Never understood why the T in LGBT issues is there because it seems unfair to lump the question of gender and how we identify/are born with gender into an ethics issue. It seems like it should be approached much more scientifically. 

Maybe instead of approaching a complex issue thinking you have all the answers or with identity politics, new questions are demanded from proper medical studies and observable data. Science rules, as balanced with

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^basically this is what I'm tryin to say^

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rob why do you care so much about the weirdo's of this world??? 

You. Are. A. Juggalo. Remember that when asking questions like this.

The more articulate answer would be that the normal people of the world now were once the weirdos. The weirdos of the world now will be the normal people eventually (at least that's the idea for some but I won't speak for Rob). Society evolves and becomes more accepting. That's how things work. Unless you would argue that the world should stay the same and right now, in your lifetime, is the sweet spot for millions of years worth of societal evolution. 

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Please quit whooping yourself in public, Smack. Ew. ya-right

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March 9, 2016
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CellE2057 said 

I've read studies that disagree with that, or at least, provide an alternative explanation. If you're interested I'll find some and link em but I'm definitely going to read the study (I'm basing my reply on your summation).  

Sure. Bring on the science.

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March 9, 2016
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CellE2057 said

krunkazphuk said

Mr. Tidwell said
They were never men, they only looked like men...
 

In the spirit of reasonable debate, the medical community may disagree. In 2011 Sweden's Karolinska Institute released some interesting stuff:

"the long-term study—up to 30 years— followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription."

http://www.breitbart.com/big-j.....-disorder/

I've read studies that disagree with that, or at least, provide an alternative explanation. If you're interested I'll find some and link em but I'm definitely going to read the study (I'm basing my reply on your summation). 

 and think the jury is still out concerning the transgender issue (e.g. Johns Hopkins no longer performs sex-reassignment surgery for reasons similar to facts cited in the Swedish study.)

^this^  Never understood why the T in LGBT issues is there because it seems unfair to lump the question of gender and how we identify/are born with gender into an ethics issue. It seems like it should be approached much more scientifically. 

Maybe instead of approaching a complex issue thinking you have all the answers or with identity politics, new questions are demanded from proper medical studies and observable data. Science rules, as balanced with

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^basically this is what I'm tryin to say^

the_smack said
rob why do you care so much about the weirdo's of this world??? 

You. Are. A. Juggalo. Remember that when asking questions like this.

The more articulate answer would be that the normal people of the world now were once the weirdos. The weirdos of the world now will be the normal people eventually (at least that's the idea for some but I won't speak for Rob). Society evolves and becomes more accepting. That's how things work. Unless you would argue that the world should stay the same and right now, in your lifetime, is the sweet spot for millions of years worth of societal evolution. 

But you did forget one thing in the LGBT acronym....they now have a Q added as well, so LGBTQ - color me confused

Runnin' Out Of Time / Looking For The Light / Something Isnt Right / The Devil's Grip Is Tight / Cause I'm Runnin' Out Of Time / Leave It All Behind / If My Soul Was On The Line / Can My Body Hide / From The Devil Inside

March 9, 2016
5:07 pm
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the_smack said
rob why do you care so much about the weirdo's of this world??? you know the trannies,the asexuals,the otherkin, the pansexuals,the bronies,the people who like fucking their dogs, the farmers who fuck their livestock??? those are all some sick fucks let them be what they want to be be but why expose us to that shit??

I personally think the world would be a much better place without any of them, these people are so confused they just end up confusing other people, you know the saying damaged people damage other people and these weirdos are clearly broken.

if your born with a cock your a man if your born with vagina your a woman and in order for this world to last another few centuries atleast people gotta start to remember that it takes a man and a woman to have a fucking baby.

these are all weird perversions and makes me sick.

I read somewhere that these trannies are fighting for the right to not have to tell people they used to be a man, imagine you date this what you thought was a hot chick for years and then when you finally meet her parent's and they show you their baby pictures and your girlfriend used to have a cock?? I would freak out and murder that bitch I plead temporary insanity and I would win, you cant have kids with a woman that used to be a man because if your born a man you will always be a fucking man no matter how many pills and surgery's you have.

I care about people who are abused by systemic oppression because It's the right thing to do.

You say you'd murder someone for being trans. That's fucking disgusting. 

Trans people don't want to have to tell people they don't know on a deeply personal level that theyre trans because being trans puts them at risk for assault among other discriminatory practices. In many states it is legal to discriminate against transgender people in terms of hiring which is why so many face rampant poverty.

But fyi people who fuck animals =/= people who are lgbt.

 

March 9, 2016
5:09 pm
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krunkazphuk said
I don't ascribe to victim culture. Trans are people too, and a medical community has ethical considerations while properly treating what is clinically perceived as a mental disorder. I don't expect to tell a doctor how to treat me (I stubbed my toe, give me Morphine!) so as another human, a trans doesn't have a right to dictate what a medical professional does either. That seems more like consumer culture dictating what the medical establishment is obliged to do. Scary stuff.

Mr. Tidwell said

...But you're right showing basic common respect of letting them define themselves is totally out of balance :-/

P.S. Define identity all you want, make all the silly faces you want; cutting off viable body parts is serious business, and some doctors aren't convinced it's warranted as treatment.

"Don't rape me" =/= "give me addictive narcotics"

 

March 9, 2016
5:22 pm
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Mr. Tidwell said

krunkazphuk said
I don't ascribe to victim culture. Trans are people too, and a medical community has ethical considerations while properly treating what is clinically perceived as a mental disorder. I don't expect to tell a doctor how to treat me (I stubbed my toe, give me Morphine!) so as another human, a trans doesn't have a right to dictate what a medical professional does either. That seems more like consumer culture dictating what the medical establishment is obliged to do. Scary stuff.

Mr. Tidwell said

...But you're right showing basic common respect of letting them define themselves is totally out of balance :-/

P.S. Define identity all you want, make all the silly faces you want; cutting off viable body parts is serious business, and some doctors aren't convinced it's warranted as treatment.

"Don't rape me" =/= "give me addictive narcotics"

Not an advocate of rape, either. Don't see the logic of your response, but I'm going in anyway: I've lived and partied in trans culture (Orlando had Drag Races before RuPaul did,) and they can fend for themselves. They don't need another hero, sir. But enjoy chasing your windmills of oppression. I'll enjoy chasing humanism and reasonable discourse.

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March 9, 2016
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the_smack said
who the fuck is going to rape a tranny anyway?? if your going to rape a tranny your just as fucked up as the tranny is.

Have you considered applying to be Trump's press secretary? I think you're a ringer.

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March 9, 2016
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the_smack said
I never said I would murder them,  

You seem to have a real short memory. 

the_smack also said
I would freak out and murder that bitch I plead temporary insanity and I would win

Pretty sure Tidwell was referring to that. 

I said the world would be a better place without them confusing the fuck out of our children.

Kids got better shit to do with their time than give a shit about other people's gender identities. Maybe you don't, though. 

and what does =/= mean?? 

does that mean that people who fuck animals are as equal as trannies??

It's really hard to tell if you're even being serious. 

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Also, yeah, I've been a fan of the Wachowskis for a while. Sense8 was pretty fucking dope, looking forward to season 2. 

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the_smack said 
...and I have no idea what =/= means I tried to google it but even google does not understand what =/= means.

I'm guessing it was intended to mean "is not equal to," but usually anything divided by itself equals "1." If this was a test I'd go with "1."

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krunkazphuk said

the_smack said 
...and I have no idea what =/= means I tried to google it but even google does not understand what =/= means.

I'm guessing it was intended to mean "is not equal to," but usually anything divided by itself equals "1." If this was a test I'd go with "1."

jeez... 

 

damned hippies.  cant figure anything out without a google search or a muppet explaining it. 

 

also, if it takes you 'years' to understand that your girlfriend has [or had] a cock, you a clod.  and you been lying to yourself about some things. 

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

March 10, 2016
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I don't give a shit what gender anybody decides to pick. I hate everybody. But what truly annoys me is going over board on the PC stuff. It's like, of all the fucked up shit I'm sure all of us have heard in our lives the thing that bothers you is me accidentally calling a girl that can't choose a gender a girl? Pick your battles a little more wisely.

 

Also, I think seeing a shrink is a good thing for people that want to change genders. That way they make sure that person really does want to be that gender rather than having people switching for dumb ass reasons. There are many more reasons why people want to mutilate their genitals rather than feeling like they were born in the wrong gender. Don't stereo type them. Personally, I have issues struggling with why they feel they were born in the wrong gender. Do they just feel like they should have had a penis/vagina? Or does it have more to do with gender roles?

 

Also also, I think a better approach, rather than scolding everybody for not being totally PC all the time, is to empower transgender people to take pride in who they are. You can't totally stop bigotry no matter how hard you try. They need to learn to overcome. People will use anything to tear you down. Whether it's race, gender, class, sexuality, style, culture, nationality, etc. people will find what ever loose thread they can and tug. People are fucked up, and transgender people have to deal with it just like the rest of us.

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im suprised rob hasnt bought up the fact he thinks the word faggot and nigger (sorry n shit) carry the same offensive weight.

 

i kinda get where smack is going, to be honest i probably would freak out if i found out my wife was transgender. the whole transgender bit dont concern me, the fact she used to be a man would concern me, its the fact that we had been together for so fucking long and you felt you couldnt trust me enough to let me in and know the real reason why we couldnt have kids. i probably would go crazty and end up with a dead tranny in my bed.

but it would have nothing to do with gender or sexuality or whatever the fuck.

And rob, you know that smack is gonig to try and get a rise out of you my little freedom fighter. because you bite every time. 

 

wanna know what i think, if someone want to cut their ding dong off or grow a new one great go for it. BUT i think mandatory psychological treatment should be in place. how could it not be. i mean you talk about the shit the LGBTQRJVS?HASHFA (or whatever the fuck new letters are being ascribed to the community) goes through, poverty, assault, drug addiciton, rape just to have a gender reassignment? how could these people not potentially be mentally defective.

it should be up to a psycholigist whether or not these people are going to casue themselves serious bodily harm (no im not saying that by getting a gender reassignment is inviting rape) because some people will be able to adjust to the changes better. and mentally unstable people who are getting these DRASTIC changes are not going to help your cause. 

 

as for what gender you feel you are..... you know what makes up your gender? Chromosones. yeah, you might feel like a woman inside, and thats fine. but the reality is YOUR A MAN. theres no way around it.

 

I dont care if you wanna mutliate your genitals to feel better about yourself. if its in your pants it aint my concern.

but you wont get that, you'll be like 'oh novocaine is being a bigot again' and your probably right, im an ignorant bigot. but i wouldnt go diving headfirst into a serious medical procedure without first considering the repercussions of what that contains.

 

and no offense but the community you fight so hard to liberate, generally does not do a good job of giving the the media (because clearly white media is the issue in this scenario) nothing to grab onto and falunt outn lloud.

 

the fucking fuss everyone made over bruce/caitlyn jenner about gender reassignment was a complete joke. he/she aint no fucking hero. the only reason she/he got any sort of media reaction is because he/she was considered relatively famous (tbh i have no idea who bruce jenner is or was, and still couldnt give  flying goat fuck). 

 

anyways, sleep depravation is clearly making me angry and unreasonable.

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