krunkazphuk said

Mr. Tidwell said
They were never men, they only looked like men...
 

In the spirit of reasonable debate, the medical community may disagree. In 2011 Sweden's Karolinska Institute released some interesting stuff:

"the long-term study—up to 30 years— followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription."

http://www.breitbart.com/big-j.....-disorder/

I've read studies that disagree with that, or at least, provide an alternative explanation. If you're interested I'll find some and link em but I'm definitely going to read the study (I'm basing my reply on your summation). 

 and think the jury is still out concerning the transgender issue (e.g. Johns Hopkins no longer performs sex-reassignment surgery for reasons similar to facts cited in the Swedish study.)

^this^  Never understood why the T in LGBT issues is there because it seems unfair to lump the question of gender and how we identify/are born with gender into an ethics issue. It seems like it should be approached much more scientifically. 

Maybe instead of approaching a complex issue thinking you have all the answers or with identity politics, new questions are demanded from proper medical studies and observable data. Science rules, as balanced with

^basically this is what I'm tryin to say^

the_smack said
rob why do you care so much about the weirdo's of this world??? 

You. Are. A. Juggalo. Remember that when asking questions like this.

The more articulate answer would be that the normal people of the world now were once the weirdos. The weirdos of the world now will be the normal people eventually (at least that's the idea for some but I won't speak for Rob). Society evolves and becomes more accepting. That's how things work. Unless you would argue that the world should stay the same and right now, in your lifetime, is the sweet spot for millions of years worth of societal evolution. 

CellE2057 said 

I've read studies that disagree with that, or at least, provide an alternative explanation. If you're interested I'll find some and link em but I'm definitely going to read the study (I'm basing my reply on your summation).  

Sure. Bring on the science.

Mr. Tidwell said

krunkazphuk said
I don't ascribe to victim culture. Trans are people too, and a medical community has ethical considerations while properly treating what is clinically perceived as a mental disorder. I don't expect to tell a doctor how to treat me (I stubbed my toe, give me Morphine!) so as another human, a trans doesn't have a right to dictate what a medical professional does either. That seems more like consumer culture dictating what the medical establishment is obliged to do. Scary stuff.

Mr. Tidwell said

...But you're right showing basic common respect of letting them define themselves is totally out of balance :-/

P.S. Define identity all you want, make all the silly faces you want; cutting off viable body parts is serious business, and some doctors aren't convinced it's warranted as treatment.

"Don't rape me" =/= "give me addictive narcotics"

Not an advocate of rape, either. Don't see the logic of your response, but I'm going in anyway: I've lived and partied in trans culture (Orlando had Drag Races before RuPaul did,) and they can fend for themselves. They don't need another hero, sir. But enjoy chasing your windmills of oppression. I'll enjoy chasing humanism and reasonable discourse.

the_smack said
I never said I would murder them,  

You seem to have a real short memory. 

the_smack also said
I would freak out and murder that bitch I plead temporary insanity and I would win

Pretty sure Tidwell was referring to that. 

I said the world would be a better place without them confusing the fuck out of our children.

Kids got better shit to do with their time than give a shit about other people's gender identities. Maybe you don't, though. 

and what does =/= mean?? 

does that mean that people who fuck animals are as equal as trannies??

It's really hard to tell if you're even being serious. 

the_smack said 
...and I have no idea what =/= means I tried to google it but even google does not understand what =/= means.

I'm guessing it was intended to mean "is not equal to," but usually anything divided by itself equals "1." If this was a test I'd go with "1."

im suprised rob hasnt bought up the fact he thinks the word faggot and nigger (sorry n shit) carry the same offensive weight.

i kinda get where smack is going, to be honest i probably would freak out if i found out my wife was transgender. the whole transgender bit dont concern me, the fact she used to be a man would concern me, its the fact that we had been together for so fucking long and you felt you couldnt trust me enough to let me in and know the real reason why we couldnt have kids. i probably would go crazty and end up with a dead tranny in my bed.

but it would have nothing to do with gender or sexuality or whatever the fuck.

And rob, you know that smack is gonig to try and get a rise out of you my little freedom fighter. because you bite every time. 

wanna know what i think, if someone want to cut their ding dong off or grow a new one great go for it. BUT i think mandatory psychological treatment should be in place. how could it not be. i mean you talk about the shit the LGBTQRJVS?HASHFA (or whatever the fuck new letters are being ascribed to the community) goes through, poverty, assault, drug addiciton, rape just to have a gender reassignment? how could these people not potentially be mentally defective.

it should be up to a psycholigist whether or not these people are going to casue themselves serious bodily harm (no im not saying that by getting a gender reassignment is inviting rape) because some people will be able to adjust to the changes better. and mentally unstable people who are getting these DRASTIC changes are not going to help your cause. 

as for what gender you feel you are..... you know what makes up your gender? Chromosones. yeah, you might feel like a woman inside, and thats fine. but the reality is YOUR A MAN. theres no way around it.

I dont care if you wanna mutliate your genitals to feel better about yourself. if its in your pants it aint my concern.

but you wont get that, you'll be like 'oh novocaine is being a bigot again' and your probably right, im an ignorant bigot. but i wouldnt go diving headfirst into a serious medical procedure without first considering the repercussions of what that contains.

and no offense but the community you fight so hard to liberate, generally does not do a good job of giving the the media (because clearly white media is the issue in this scenario) nothing to grab onto and falunt outn lloud.

the fucking fuss everyone made over bruce/caitlyn jenner about gender reassignment was a complete joke. he/she aint no fucking hero. the only reason she/he got any sort of media reaction is because he/she was considered relatively famous (tbh i have no idea who bruce jenner is or was, and still couldnt give  flying goat fuck). 

anyways, sleep depravation is clearly making me angry and unreasonable.