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Remember the Flatlinerz? Funny diss to Esham...
April 20, 2014
5:16 pm
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At first we thought Esham (look up the definition of sham) was just saying everybody bit his style to gain recognition. But after thoroughly combing the net (reading some of his interviews and bio), we've realized that he actually believes what he's saying. It's actually mind boggling to know that after ten years he's still a leech bent on trying to gain credit by discrediting others through claiming that they stole their style from him instead of making competent music to get him the recognition he's obviously desperate for. We just found out he was attacking us all of these years just last year. In his bio at Eshamtheboogieman.com, Rza (a Gravediggaz and Wu-tang clan member) is mentioned as one of the people who adopted (stole) his style. I'm sure Rza, the Gravediggaz, or most of the other people that Esham has slandered over the years never cared to respond to him because they know he's just trying to gain some attention. He's only relevant to white folks who don't know any better and he knows it. That's why he boasted that he created "white boy rap" in the latest Mass Appeal magazine interview which came out this summer (2004). The truth of the matter is that the Gravediggaz didn't spawn from Esham. They were a group directed by Prince Paul to deliberately sabotage and profit off of the Flatlinerz by using their style and image. Prince Paul had a financial beef going on with Russell Simon's (a beef related to his "Doo Doo Man" album released by Def Jam) prior to the time the Flatlinerz were recording their album (U.S.A). He felt that Russell Simmons had owed him money, so he decided to spite Russell Simon's by copying the Flatlinerz when he caught wind of them through the Gravediggaz to get revenge. It was a personal vendetta. Especially since one of the Flatlinerz (Redrum) was Russell Simon's nephew. That's why the Gravediggaz came out at the same time as the Flatlinerz in the summer of 94. It was a plan, not a coincidence. So you see the Gravediggaz are actually a spin off of the Flatlinerz. The reason why the Gravediggaz gained more ground than the Flatlinerz was because they were apart of the Wu-tang Clan which was one of the hottest groups out at the time. And since they were notably more successful than the Flatlinerz, Esham choose them to target to gain fame off of. Now as far as the Flatlinerz, they didn't bite off of Esham either. They were heavily influenced by Redman and Onyx the same way Onyx and Redman were influenced by them in some ways. The Flatlinerz were basically a combination of Redman and Onyx and had never heard of Esham until their album was one song from completion (at Dr Period's studio in the summer of 94). Esham was unheard of in New York at the time the Flatlinerz and the Gravediggaz formed in the early nineties and anyone from New York can vouch that. The first time they (and I) had heard of Esham was when Tempest the undertaker (a member of the Flatlinerz) brought an advanced copy of the fear soundtrack to the studio which they had featured on along with Esham and others. This was when the Flatlinerz were recording satanic verses (the last Flatlinerz song recorded for the album). We were actually surprised to see that there were a whole slew of groups existing that were doing similar music as ours. So the horror influence didn't come from Esham, It came from Redman. Redman was the one that introduced Horrorcore commercially on a less gimmicky level. If you seen one of his old trailers that was never released, you would understand that he was doing that style before the Flatlinerz or Gravediggaz. On top of that, I have that trailer, and other material that proves that Horrorcore was happening before the Gravediggaz, the Flatlinerz, Redman, and Esham. On some of the songs that I have, a rapper Tim X, (a guy that's like my older brother who suggested that I should use the name Omen and who inspired me to rhyme) isn't merely skimming the surface of Horrorcore with one or two lines, he's horror/psycho rapping throughout the entire songs. Record labels wouldn't sign him because he was too graphic and he refused to water down, therefore he never came out. Years later when I let him hear a song off of the Flatlinerz album "Good Day to Die" (which I featured on), he kind of dissed it by saying "Ya'll doing that shit?". "We used to rap like that years ago in high school." Years ago (meaning 1986 and up). So, for all of you who are aiding Esham in lying to the entire world please continue too, you're only helping to make him look more like the petty liar/self centered/envious fool that he really is. We will soon release one of our new albums, the material I spoke of, and possibly a DVD with some of the Flatlinerz, and the Gravediggaz on it all taking polygraph tests together just for fun to prove that Esham really lived up to the last four letters of his name (sham) which is defined as; a counterfeit purporting to be genuine, a hoax, or a deceptive scheme or trick. The end is coming.

Sincerely from Omen the Flatliner/Gravedigga

 

____________________

 

 

lmao  OUCH  this dude goes in.  he was featured on one of the Flatlinerz tracks.

April 20, 2014
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wheres this from?  

  

ive never read it, but ive used the same description when explaining flatlinerz to people.  

'redman and onyx doing horrorcore'.  

  

i also never bought the notion that esham was ripped off by any of those groups.  real unlikely.  

  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

April 20, 2014
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I found it on another message forum

 

 

this Omen guy  (who was featured on the first Flatlinerz cd and on the 2nd Gravediggaz cd) tried to bridge the two groups together for a Flatiner/Gravedigga group CD in the early 2000's but Shabazz the Diciple apparently flaked and it never came to realization.  was supposed to have Killah Priest and Frukwan involved too.

 

 

look for OMN999 on facebook, he doesn't hold back anything lol

April 20, 2014
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lol considering the mainstreams long history of stealing shit from the streets (hell hip hop in general is one example) esham's suspicions are perfectly legitimate... dead @ the background dude catchin feelin's & not someone from the actual groups haha.. maybe they know somethin he doesnt...

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April 20, 2014
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The Warlock said
lol considering the mainstreams long history of stealing shit from the streets (hell hip hop in general is one example) esham's suspicions are perfectly legitimate... dead @ the background dude catchin feelin's & not someone from the actual groups haha.. maybe they know somethin he doesnt...

1-Esham didn't have any music out nationwide until 1994 when he dropped Closed Casket....on Warlock records lol.  They also did the Fear soundtrack that this guy mentions how he first heard Esham on.  Sounds like a very legit story because the beats are all entirely NYC Def Jam style.

 

2-This dude also worked with the Gravediggaz so I can see how he would be quick to defend both his camps.

 

3-Off topic but I remember Twiztid dismissing Flatlinerz in an interview years after they dropped, just in a similiar "these guys bit Michigan's style" type of rant.  funny how they never said anything about 3-6 Mafia who were doing "horrorcore" type shit in 1992.

April 20, 2014
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Cat Burgerler said
Warlock records

So, that is were @the-warlock got his rap name from.

April 20, 2014
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PunkRockJuggalo said

Cat Burgerler said
Warlock records

So, that is were @the-warlock got his rap name from.

i thought that was obvious.  but then, im an esham fan, so it stood out to me.  

  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

April 20, 2014
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scruffy said

PunkRockJuggalo said

Cat Burgerler said
Warlock records

So, that is were @the-warlock got his rap name from.

i thought that was obvious.  but then, im an esham fan, so it stood out to me.  

  

I guess i'm either slow or just did not pay enough attention to record labels.

 

April 20, 2014
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what a bunch of qeers man!  warlock and esham should get together and talk about their feelings

Noah Fence is a RACIST piece of shit and so are you if you support him. No excuses.

April 20, 2014
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i don't blame Esham for feeling that way because he's the one who can prove he was making this music back in 89 but Esham does have some serious mental problems.  how else can you explain dissing Eminem's daughter?? lol

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PunkRockJuggalo said

scruffy said

PunkRockJuggalo said

Cat Burgerler said
Warlock records

So, that is were @the-warlock got his rap name from.

i thought that was obvious.  but then, im an esham fan, so it stood out to me.  

  

I guess i'm either slow or just did not pay enough attention to record labels.

 

 

i came up with my name cuz i liked the dictionary/thesaurus definition of the word, it fit the direction of the lyrics i was writing at the time, and because psy acts had said the word multiple times in fresh ways.. one in particular that always stood out is J's "Warlock's & wizard's come & learn from the master".. the record label was not in my thoughts.. just pure coincidence..

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April 20, 2014
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1st you have to realize that Esham did something that hasn't actually been done (to his knowledge) at the time so he thought he was so original. Then, after that, everybody from Detroit started copying his style. That is a fact. If you take an unbiased look at it you could see why he'd have thought they were taking his style. He was the first documented rapper to put out full horror themed hip hop albums. Then he sees the mainstream artists doing the same shit. Warlock is right, media is known for hopping on bandwagons and trying to make a profit off of it.

 

But what Warlock refuses to see since he's basically Esham's right hand bitch is that perhaps people from other places could have similar ideas. Apparently BLH had been putting out horrorcore singles since the early 80s. On top of that nobody knows how long people harbor ideas before they put them together. Did any of them bite Esham? It's possible but I still highly doubt it. Does it matter if they did or not? No.

 

Esham once said, "You wanna know somethin' that makes me sick When people be constantly talkin' 'bout stupid shit Shit like who made rap up I don't give a fuck as long as I get my cut".

 

So maybe he should take his own advice.

 
April 20, 2014
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yea and he also said that if he stops spittin wicked shit to gag him with a spoon.... has that happened yet??
and on tongues, he says "one wicked rhyme never repeated" but infact, he repeats alot of his rhymes. so not only have people bit Esham, but Esham bites Esham. mind..... blown!

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April 20, 2014
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Lucem Ferre said
But what Warlock refuses to see since he's basically Esham's right hand bitch is that perhaps people from other places could have similar ideas. 

 

smh... yall clowns are annoying.. stop speaking for me when you clearly dont know my perspective.. i never called anyone a biter here nor did i call esham the originator of it all... i feel there is no one creator & it was all a group effort from multiple regions in the underground... clown...

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His shit is just as wicked as it was back then. He never truly was that wicked in the first place.

 

And he has a song on his newest album where all he does is repeat old lyrics. He pays homage to himself.

April 20, 2014
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The Warlock said

Lucem Ferre said
But what Warlock refuses to see since he's basically Esham's right hand bitch is that perhaps people from other places could have similar ideas. 

 

smh... yall clowns are annoying.. stop speaking for me when you clearly dont know my perspective.. i never called anyone a biter here nor did i call esham the originator of it all... i feel there is no one creator & it was all a group effort from multiple regions in the underground... clown...

Granted you didn't really say anything that said they bit him.

 

But we all know the truth. Hater.

 

April 20, 2014
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LuckyNumbrXIII said
Esham: [insert semi-famous artist] bit my style!

*nobody cares*

Esham: pls respond

*nobody responds*

1 week later, Esham is found eating melted ice cream sandwiches out of park trash cans again.

 
 

If 1/10 of Esham's claims were true, the motherfucker would be rich in lawsuit money.  Don't get me wrong, he definitely gets a nod for starting the wicked shit... but nobody needs his permission to write horror rap.  Poe wrote horror poetry, so he was first, really. 

I'm pretty damn sure Esham isn't homeless and probably makes a little bit of money still.

 

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Lucem Ferre said

The Warlock said

Lucem Ferre said
But what Warlock refuses to see since he's basically Esham's right hand bitch is that perhaps people from other places could have similar ideas. 

 

smh... yall clowns are annoying.. stop speaking for me when you clearly dont know my perspective.. i never called anyone a biter here nor did i call esham the originator of it all... i feel there is no one creator & it was all a group effort from multiple regions in the underground... clown...

Granted you didn't really say anything that said they bit him.

 

But we all know the truth. Hater.

 

yes the truth that i apparently refuse to see what i already believe......

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LuckyNumbrXIII said
Shhhh... in my mind he's homeless and it's funny.  

 

 

In my mind Esham is Ice Cube's evil twin.

 

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The Warlock said
smh... yall clowns are annoying..   ... clown...

is it just me, or is there something unintentionally droll about a guy thinking that juggalos would consider the word 'clown' to be an epithet?  

  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

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