I personally think ICP and Twiztid are heading in far different directions at the moment. Neither bad...

Twiztid has always capitalized on the horror theme better and they translate much better to the horror community (if that makes sense). I'm at the rock & shock horror convention every year and Twiztid is always in full effect. Non-Juggalo horror fans really get down with Twiztid. They see them doing all the work with Kane Hodder, Bill, Mosely, and Sid Haig along with the press Q&A panels and autograph signings and start to pay attention. I don't think ICP could come in to that same audience and get the same reaction.

Twiztid also just had an interview published in Rue Morgue magazine (one of the top horror culture mags). I think that is the market they're looking to expand into more and the direction they're heading from both a business and music point of view. Way more room for growth IMO than keeping it strictly "Juggalo"

ICP I feel are just moving on and spreading the word of the Juggalo as they've always been doing. They are just now translating it to be current in 2017. ICP always had positive messages in my eyes. You just don't have to dig as deep to find it now and that's fresh. I think we'll see more getting away from music from the clowns in both an activism sense and stuff like the DCG con. Not that there won't be new music of course...

That said, as a fan, I'm far more excited for the direction that Twiztid is heading as well as the rest of MNE. Yes that is mainly due to the music quality, but I also feel Twiztid has to be the group to come more correct on the music front. As far as I'm concerned, ICP could retire from making music tomorrow. They've paid their dues 100% while Twiztid I'd say is around 75% (which is good because I want as much new Twiztid music as I can get right now). That's no knock either. Twiztid have paid dues and then some, but musically, they haven't put the final stamp yet on their legacy yet, where I thought ICP had gotten there after the first 6 completed.

So ya, Twiztid has always done the dark horror theme well. I think they are going to keep expanding on that theme because it's what is selling for them abd Ihink they're going to move it, dare I say, more mainstream now. You know they're looking at what Tech has done. As an independent label why wouldn't you want to be like that?

Anyway, not sure if that answers any of your questions or if anything I typed even makes sense lol.

Wicked, fierce, lost, found, or even corny, I get drawn in when they shoot straight. Hope to hear new music by Psy & MNE that's real.

King Lucem Ferre said
This is why it must suck to be a juggalo right now. ICP makes trash music. Or, more like, they seem to be less in touch with the fanbase than ever while Twiztid is properly representing everything that drew me to the culture in the first place. But ICP are the ones bending over backwards to do cool shit for juggalos while Twiztid seems to be turning their backs on the culture over some kind of feud they are having with ICP. This might be the beginning of the death of juggalos. Meaning that juggalos will become the next anticulture that gets destroyed by media sensationalism and bandwagoners while the originals grow old and loose their roots. Just like the punk scene and the goth scene. It will never really go away, but it will be a ghost of it's former self.  

Well said Lucem.

the dark and wicked shit as well as the uniqueness is what originally drew me in.. however the creativity is what kept me around.. both tempest and bpb had to grow on me while i still dont like mdp.. i think house of wax and found are modern icp done right, while lost and the outtakes are more bland to me..

I dont really mind the style i just have to deem it a good, haha.. and for the most part twiztids, stuff has been generally bland since "wicked".. that was the last time their dark stuff really hit with me.. since then they started workin with seven more, wanting to chop more, almost mini tech n9neish who's stuff ive always felt was generally bland as well.. like their new song, just a track thats just about killin.. no lagoon or bella morte, extra flavor to it anymore.. juggalo shit always had dope and creative beats and i feel like icp have had a better beat selection these past 8 years.. and if that shit aint dope/cool/good i aint even tryin to hear it, from any artist..

im curious as to what esham's gonna do next.. i wasnt really feelin dichotomy, it was kinda bland hip hop. where-as flytrap and fuqerbdy had some dope electronic shit as well as dope hip hop.. his latest metal-ish clips on youtube kinda remind me of suspended animation..

idk.. i think when youve put out a shitload of projects it becomes easier to be hit or miss.. and when artist are "missing" with people, it really stands out with those people.. i have faith that every artist whose been around for awhile is capable of delivering at least one more classic tho..

The comedy, hands down.  

I'm a fan of the wicked shit first and foremost. Truthfully, I hated rap when I was a kid, and ICP turned that around for me since they were rappers talking about the same kind of slasher movie shit I was already deep into. I discovered Twiztid completely separate from ICP. I didn't know anything about record labels af the time, so I just figured they were two horror rappers who shouted each other out. Being a Juggalo came organically. But see, in those days there was nothing but the wicked shit. Sure, there was always comedy and the odd sentimental song, but nothing like the overwhelming saturation of Good Vibrations music you see today. I admit that I miss when the culture had its mysteries- Rumors about cursed Dark Lotus albums and talks of an impending apocalypse, even though we knew it was mostly bullshit it was also fun. I said before that I love how Twiztid is keeping the horror aspect alive in the music- but I've since visited their webstore and realized that they also want to sell me a TWIZTID Brand Rootbeer and a snuggie for 62.99 plus shipping. That's not wicked.

Through all of it, though, I became embedded in the culture. For all my cynicism I still find lots to love, mostly with the people. That's why I don't really hold anything against the labels. You won't catch me on some SKR Rep Horrorcore and Act Like We're Not Just a Different Flavor of Juggalo type time, it would be insincere. If I think it's not wicked enough, I'll do my part to make it wicked. Tell a spooky story, or jumpscare a bitch boy in the crowd. I'm on some

#makethecarnivaldarkagain