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The Wraith cover and Fritz The Cat (1972)
May 23, 2017
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Did ICP ever acknowledge any influence from Fritz The Cat (1972 by Ralph Bakshi) for The Wraith cover? What do you guys think: coincidence or damn near rip-off?

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Fun fact: Twiztid's producer of the same name, Fritz The Cat, was involved in the production of The Wraith: Hell's Pit.

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This was the likely hand model, they overlay perfectly: 816uDN5ndxL._SL1200_.jpgImage Enlarger

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That's interesting, I mean it looks exactly the same. Shaggy drew the design as usual right? I wonder if he knowingly used that design as reference or if it was "subconscious" for a lack of a better term here. Then the Limp Bizkit Significant Other hand, that's also funny. I don't give a fuck, I really enjoy that album still. 

May 23, 2017
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The proportions are virtually identical. It's pretty obvious he just took the LB art, rotated it, put it on a lightbox and traced over it. Inspiration comes from different places, I guess. 

May 24, 2017
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Shaggy had to have seen Fritz the Cat, and the outfit is the exact same. 

May 24, 2017
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There is a book out called I COULD TELL YOU BUT THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE DESTROYED BY ME. The author had access to unnamed sources who were willing to tell him at least SOME of the secret organizations within the American military and what their patches looked like.

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Here is a summary:

In a work that combines ingenious journalism and bizarrely encoded art, author/photographer/investigator Trevor Paglen uncovers 75 never-before-seen-in-public military patches that reveal a bizarre secret world of the American military. Paglen investigates classified weapons projects and intelligence operations by examining their own imagery and jargon, disclosing new facts about important classified military units?here known by peculiar names (?Goat Suckers,? ?None of Your Fucking Business,? ?Tastes Like Chicken?) and illustrated with occult symbols and ridiculous cartoons. The precisely photographed patches?worn by military personnel working on classified missions, such as those at the legendary Area 51?reveal much about a strange and eerie world about which little was previously known. The author has also assembled an extensive and readable guide, based on extensive interviews with military sources and government records, to the patches included here, making this volume perhaps the best available survey of the military\'s black world?a $27 billion industry that has quietly grown by almost 50 percent since 9/11.

Here are two of the patches:
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May 24, 2017
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that's a bad ass patch! I want one!

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May 24, 2017
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Mission Patches
Their Source and Meaninghttp://www.thelivingmoon.com/4.....g_003.html

November 5, 2018
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That military patch was taken from ICP, not the other way around. The Fritz the Cat thing on the other hand is pretty god damn close. It could be that he just ripped it off or he could have done it subconsciously. When I'm writing music there are times when I'll write something and show it to someone only for them to tell me that it's almost identical to a riff in another song from a band I don't listen to. I'm sure I heard that song somewhere in passing and it stuck with me subconsciously.

November 5, 2018
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Ya’ll ever notice how often J mentions party stores? Whens that last time you’ve been to one? In one aisle they will have over 50 sections filled with merchandise of whatever kids are currently into. This is and always has been a hustle. A fun one? Sure, why not but still a hustle.

November 5, 2018
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Hmmm. You may indeed be right about how the ICP patch came first. But the fact that someone in the Pentagon took something from something from ICP, tells me that ICP was connected to masonry long ago.

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Desert Prowler 
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Desert Prowler 

A second patch associated with the classified "Desert Prowler" project. Again, the collection of five-plus-one stars may represent the classified operating location at Groom Lake, Nevada, also known as Area 51.

The meaning of the other symbols on this patch is unclear.

SOURCE: http://www.naderlibrary.com/ic.....you.18.htm

The 6th Joker's wraith image from the album cover was used on a flight test patch for the Lockheed Skunk Works' Black Ops Desert Prowler program. It features the wraith with added red eyes, surrounded by six stars with the words "Desert Prowler, Alone and on the Prowl."

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The symbol of The Wraith is said to have originated with the The Wraith: Shangri-La, an album by Insane Clown Posse.

The Wraith, which represents the sixth Joker's Card, is in essence the grim reaper, or death. According to the group's mythology, upon your death, the Wraith takes you to either Shangri-La (heaven) or to Hell's Pit (hell). In The Wraith: Shangri-La, the ICP guides the listener as The Dark Wraith takes the listener upon an exhibition of heaven (while he may change his mind and try to pull you out of heaven), whereas in the group's ninth studio album, Hell's Pit, The Pure Wraith takes the listener on a voyage through hell. 

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....Shangri-La

November 6, 2018
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can someone post a clip of fritz with the wraith in it instead of just images...

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November 7, 2018
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T.O. said
Did ICP ever acknowledge any influence from Fritz The Cat (1972 by Ralph Bakshi) for The Wraith cover? What do you guys think: coincidence or damn near rip-off?

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Fun fact: Twiztid's producer of the same name, Fritz The Cat, was involved in the production of The Wraith: Hell's Pit.  

T.O. said
Did ICP ever acknowledge any influence from Fritz The Cat (1972 by Ralph Bakshi) for The Wraith cover? What do you guys think: coincidence or damn near rip-off?

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Fun fact: Twiztid's producer of the same name, Fritz The Cat, was involved in the production of The Wraith: Hell's Pit.  

Damn thats pretty much identical an the time period matches for them to have seen this when they were kids

*edit* i just remembered something i have no idea how long ago but in a weekly freekly or some other shit someone in psychopathic uploaded a pic of a spray painted/tagged image of the wraith that either shaggy painted or inspired him it was so long ago i dont remember but the details but that is the jist of it, i think they even said what alleyway it was in, anyone else remember this?

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The Warlock said
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yep thats it, hey worlock im a big fan of your music man, when you gonna be droping some new stuff?

November 8, 2018
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SO WHAT I ALWAYS WISHED THEY HAD DONE WITH 'THE WRAITH"

WAS INSTEAD OF A BLACKED OUT FACE

THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT A MIRROR ON THE CD

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November 8, 2018
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kukluxklown said
SO WHAT I ALWAYS WISHED THEY HAD DONE WITH 'THE WRAITH"

WAS INSTEAD OF A BLACKED OUT FACE

THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT A MIRROR ON THE CD  

holy shit ninja thts a fucking dope idea!

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November 8, 2018
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How the fuck does this asshole get to type in all caps?!?! It's my trademark at horrorcore.com and supermensa and I was threatened with a banning when I joined the boards cuz of it.

November 8, 2018
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juggalotus42000 said

holy shit ninja thts a fucking dope idea!  

THANX MAYBE WHEN THEY RELEASE "THE WRAITH" ANNIVERSAY EDITION

 

THEY CAN USE THAT IDEA

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