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4:56 pm
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Noah Fence said
I think, conceptually, mighty death pop is their most thoughtful and complex album, hands down.
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pretty much. some of what you said was deeper than ive ever taken it, but still dovetails.
Back in the day, if someone wanted to get into icp, I would recommend Milenko. Now I recommend Milenko and Death pop.
i always used to say, 'pick out any two albums, and listen to em both a few times'.
nowadays, i say three. cuz icp has spread their style out so much, it takes more time for a random person to find the whatever it is that will hook em.
Jason Caffey said
The only release I didn't like was the Calm, but that was more of who I was as a person at that time, because I love that shit now.
my usual experience is to not especially like an icp album right away, then see it grow on me.
only exceptions: milenko, riddle box, tempest, death pop. they didnt grow, cuz they didnt have to.
... but Bang! Pow! Boom! is THE best closing track they have done, and when that shit hits at the live show, it's over.
absolutely.
seems to me like the only time theyve ever really tailored a track for the purpose. maybe if i was a serial killa, but bang pow boom is a way more live song.
if they were to abruptly decide to use just one song as the closer every single time, it would have to be bang pow boom.
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6:03 pm
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Weird shit here: I didn't lIke Tales From the Lotus Pod at first. I wasn't ready for it, I think.
Another theme of MDP could be "stop thinking and acting like you're immortal or impervious to mental or physical harm"
Thus, the smurfing skit and such. The title track. Losing your mind like Chris Benoit or becomiNg homicidal in thought like the guy in Hate Her to Death. Etc.
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Old Mr Dangerous said
Weird shit here: I didn't lIke Tales From the Lotus Pod at first. I wasn't ready for it, I think.Another theme of MDP could be "stop thinking and acting like you're immortal or impervious to mental or physical harm"
Thus, the smurfing skit and such. The title track. Losing your mind like Chris Benoit or becomiNg homicidal in thought like the guy in Hate Her to Death. Etc.
Yeah it is. That's another way of saying it. Things change: next time you might die.
If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter
6:45 pm
July 28, 2016
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pondo said
@noah-fence Thanks for pointing out what you meant,@hypnotized-ninja I know that there are a lot of ninjas who actually like MDP, but Rob considered MDP as good as Milenko (in another thread I just noticed..) and thats rare, I think, nonetheless.
I enjoy analyzing Joker's Cards, but sometimes I think it's easy to overinterpret something. I should listen to MDP in a whole once more.
I mean, as an art student I spend a lot of time interpreting shit. I did intend to write essays comparing jokers cards to mythological figures at one point but got distracted.
I should finish that.
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pondo, Old Mr Dangerous, SPOOKYtheFUNGIIf you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter
6:53 pm
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you should.
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11:56 pm
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The closest I've ever came to forcing myself to like something was Milenko and TMML. When Milenko came out I was new to their music and felt like I had to like it. Not because of fanboy shit but I really didn't want to let this new thing that I felt close to slip away from me. After awhile I got over that idea and learned that it just wasn't for me. I tried really hard to like it though so I kind of feel ya. Still rank Milenko as one of their worst cards too. It's like they were tryin to be on their best behavior or somethin.
Their hype for TMML worked on me so I wanted to like it a lot. Jump said it had the feel of Ringmaster and attitude of AJB, which is all I want out of them. To make it worse, my dude from way back and I don't listen to new Jokers Cards until we can both chill together with hours to kill listenin on repeat. No singles or anything. The hype was too much so we both decided we'd listen to Falling Apart (picked at random) before we could listen together. Which, as it happens, is the best fuckin song on that album and only added to the hype. The rest of that album (aside from one or two mediocre others) was terrible. I tried to force myself to like it but it's just not good.
Also, there's plenty of E.P.'s and solos that I don't like but those never bugged me.
12:04 am
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CellE2057 said
Still rank Milenko as one of their worst cards too.
now that, is an uncommon sentiment.
one i cant say i share.
It's like they were tryin to be on their best behavior or somethin.
right?
ive had this chat with ninjas. they always act like im nuts. album is not ruthlessness.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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September 19, 2014
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scruffy said
now that, is an uncommon sentiment.
one i cant say i share.
Dude, I haven't met any other Juggalo that ranks it that low. Which leads me to believe I'm wrong and just haven't figured it out yet.
The album is pretty far from ruthless. I mean, it has its moments but nowhere near as many as most other cards. It's their most Looney Tunes like album yet.
12:34 am
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CellE2057 said
scruffy said
now that, is an uncommon sentiment.
one i cant say i share.Dude, I haven't met any other Juggalo that ranks it that low. Which leads me to believe I'm wrong and just haven't figured it out yet.
nah. just means you rate it low.
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April 20, 2012
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I have been down since Riddlebox, and I gotta say...I really can't get into their new shit. Sure there is songs that I like off the new deck but ..idk.. I will still buy every cd they come out with but my expectations arent that high. I still bump the old jokers cards though :)
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January 28, 2016
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CellE2057 said
The closest I've ever came to forcing myself to like something was Milenko and TMML. When Milenko came out I was new to their music and felt like I had to like it. Not because of fanboy shit but I really didn't want to let this new thing that I felt close to slip away from me. After awhile I got over that idea and learned that it just wasn't for me. I tried really hard to like it though so I kind of feel ya. Still rank Milenko as one of their worst cards too. It's like they were tryin to be on their best behavior or somethin.
see you consider milenko soft. when i heard it i felt that it was "wicked" humor that only scrubs would find funny. i felt that the "masses"/"sheep" would hear that cd and view it as "wicked"/"sinister"/"psychotic". i felt that only the outcast would "understand" the humor on that album.
this is why i view "wicked shit" as playful horror raps. basically my definition of wicked isnt as dark and gritty like others view it. i think this is why people debate what is wicked all the time. sumtimes words shouldnt be taken so literally
6:58 pm
January 28, 2016
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CellE2057 said
scruffy said
now that, is an uncommon sentiment.
one i cant say i share.Dude, I haven't met any other Juggalo that ranks it that low. Which leads me to believe I'm wrong and just haven't figured it out yet.
The album is pretty far from ruthless. I mean, it has its moments but nowhere near as many as most other cards. It's their most Looney Tunes like album yet.
perfect example from my last post, icp or the wicked shit should be ruthless and not jokes. i got news for ya, icp has ALWAYS made us laugh on each album they ever made. sux that they cant provide you with more deep ruthless songs. i know im not dissatisfied with icp lately, but i can understand why people can be unhappy. mcl homie i hope this beef shit brings out the shit you been craving, ive been spoiled for too long
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September 19, 2014
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SPOOKYtheFUNGI said
perfect example from my last post, icp or the wicked shit should be ruthless and not jokes. i got news for ya, icp has ALWAYS made us laugh on each album they ever made. sux that they cant provide you with more deep ruthless songs. i know im not dissatisfied with icp lately, but i can understand why people can be unhappy. mcl homie i hope this beef shit brings out the shit you been craving, ive been spoiled for too long
Well shit, the dick jokes from em is what made me interested. Specifically Super Balls. Once I heard that I was hooked. They're very good at being clowns. Regarding Milenko it's not that there's so many jokes as much as it is...um, it's hard to explain. Okay, they've always played as a cartoon in my head but they're almost Ren & Stimpy like. Or what SuperJail is now if you'd prefer a more modern one. It's crudely drawn, highly characterized and thus packed full of personality. Like something a serial killer would draw. Milenko felt like a Disney cartoon. It's so polished and clean that it lost all personality. Dunno if that helps but it's the best way I can describe it.
Personally, I prefer a nice balance between ruthless and jokes. Maybe a 70/30 split or so.
8:45 pm
January 28, 2016
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CellE2057 said
Well shit, the dick jokes from em is what made me interested. Specifically Super Balls. Once I heard that I was hooked. They're very good at being clowns. Regarding Milenko it's not that there's so many jokes as much as it is...um, it's hard to explain. Okay, they've always played as a cartoon in my head but they're almost Ren & Stimpy like. Or what SuperJail is now if you'd prefer a more modern one. It's crudely drawn, highly characterized and thus packed full of personality. Like something a serial killer would draw. Milenko felt like a Disney cartoon. It's so polished and clean that it lost all personality. Dunno if that helps but it's the best way I can describe it.
Personally, I prefer a nice balance between ruthless and jokes. Maybe a 70/30 split or so.
i think you believe disney had a huge role in the creation of milenko and are strung up on that fact...do you think disney told them the name of the songs to write lyrics to or sumtin...thats what i get from you
i dont think disney could even fathom how to create an icp jokers card. i think they saw $$$ signs and they LOOSELY oversaw the record...thats why it made it on to shelves, even if it was for a day.
no disrespect homie, it just seems like your really confused on why you dislike an album thats so higly acclaimed. i just wanna help you come to a conclusion
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September 19, 2014
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SPOOKYtheFUNGI said
i think you believe disney had a huge role in the creation of milenko and are strung up on that fact...do you think disney told them the name of the songs to write lyrics to or sumtin...thats what i get from you
i dont think disney could even fathom how to create an icp jokers card. i think they saw $$$ signs and they LOOSELY oversaw the record...thats why it made it on to shelves, even if it was for a day.
no disrespect homie, it just seems like your really confused on why you dislike an album thats so higly acclaimed. i just wanna help you come to a conclusion
Naw, I don't think Disney had anything to do with the making other than giving money to the record label to give money to ICP. I said Disney as a comparison to how Milenko played out in my head. Basically, it just came off as super clean and proper to me and I prefer my ICP to be a little rough around the edges production/story wise. It did the first time I listened to it too. Before I knew shit about the label or anything like that.
I feel ya. I know why I dislike it so much, I just can't explain it for shit lol.
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January 28, 2016
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CellE2057 said
SPOOKYtheFUNGI said
i think you believe disney had a huge role in the creation of milenko and are strung up on that fact...do you think disney told them the name of the songs to write lyrics to or sumtin...thats what i get from youi dont think disney could even fathom how to create an icp jokers card. i think they saw $$$ signs and they LOOSELY oversaw the record...thats why it made it on to shelves, even if it was for a day.
no disrespect homie, it just seems like your really confused on why you dislike an album thats so higly acclaimed. i just wanna help you come to a conclusion
Naw, I don't think Disney had anything to do with the making other than giving money to the record label to give money to ICP. I said Disney as a comparison to how Milenko played out in my head. Basically, it just came off as super clean and proper to me and I prefer my ICP to be a little rough around the edges production/story wise. It did the first time I listened to it too. Before I knew shit about the label or anything like that.
I feel ya. I know why I dislike it so much, I just can't explain it for shit lol.
ok its all good, im highly intoxicated and just babbling, i guess i just got a big heart for helping others
9:55 pm
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Milenko is very classic stuff, but it's one that I barely ever play. You don't need to.
I didn't love J's screechy screamy style on Milenko. I like the more rap flow style of "Just Like That" and "Hokus Pokus". "Halls of Illusion" "Boogie Woogie Wu" "Piggy Pie" "How Many Times?" "Southwest Voodoo"... classics that I don't care to listen to.
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im witcha, celle. dont quite agree, since silliness and humor are as critical a part of icp, for me, as anything else. i gotta say, much more important than wickedy wickedness.
another thing, which might be affecting your view, and slips right by most juggalos, is that for all intents and purposes, milenko is a patchwork album.
so is riddle box.
were all used to it now, so no one thinks of em that way. but as you discover the hollywoods, and the willly bubbas, and the cop killer piggy pies, and the jokers galleries, and fuck offs, and terror wheels, and mutilation mixes [and the list is still not complete]... you begin to get a picture of those cards that is actually quite a bit more haphazard than say, the wraiths, or death pop.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
8:07 am
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I've been a fan since '98 so I first got into ICP in the Milenko era, worked backwards from there, then started buying on release date with AJB. So I was immersed in the world of the first 6 and really feel the magic in those albums. When listening to those albums, I rarely skip any tracks. COC may be an exception as I don't always feel some of that album, but it still has its gems. The second set of Joker Cards have just not had that same magic to me. Even the "presence" of the Joker Card entities feels lesser on the 2nd set. Like I still don't even really know what the fuck the Marvelous Missing Link as a "character" really is. There's definitely still some good stuff on the 2nd set as well as The Tempest, Phantoms, etc. but I reach for the "skip" button much more. I've also said many times well before all the drama with Young Wicked that I do not like the style and influence he brings to ICP. He's all over the place starting on House Of Wax (which has some cool stuff though) and on the MML albums and it was not for the best for my tastes. I'm glad he's gone and look forward to what comes next without him. They mentioned working with MEC again in some capacity soon, I'm always down for that.
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scruffy said
uh, no.if i gotta force myself to like it, then i obviously dont like it.
yea, pretty much.
I don't like a lot of ICP's newer stuff, so I just don't listen to it. Trying to force yourself to like it will just make you dislike it more.
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