LuckyNumbrXIII said
Atheists need to learn the difference between religious establishments and God.  Then their arguments will be focused and able to be countered with logic.

 

That's why I don't like to debate that shit.  An Atheist holds one thing to be true: There is no higher power.  But the arguments always turn into bad things man has done in the name of God.  Ok, so people have killed and tortured over marijuana.  Does marijuana not exist now?  Is marijuana evil now?  No.  These arguments are counter productive.  I guess that's the difference between a debate and a message board argument.  

I'm an agnostic athiest that takes a lot from everything especially Thelema and I'm just pointing out, I think it's the argument, that Christians do just as much evil as Muslims. And so do atheists. People in general are fucking nuts.

I find it stupid that people separate theism or religion from science. I feel that most people don't actually understand what science is. Science is the knowledge gained by observation. If you denounce science then anything you say means absolutely nothing and your beliefs can be dismissed as pure fairy tale. You can't have proof of shit if you don't believe in having proof. Religion and theism is science because it's scientific theory. Somebody looked up at the sky and through their observations they came up with the conclusion that some omnipresent being created it all. It is fact that science, the only true way to understand anything, has dis-proven majority of what is in holy books unless you take the escape route of saying that it's all metaphorical in which case what makes the bible any better than Harry Potter? Science has never dis-proven theism. Theism is still a valid scientific theory. All though I lean more towards the atheist side, I still have experienced some strange things that may support the idea of a being or force beyond our comprehension. I'm just not desperately searching for evidence to disprove or prove theism because my ego does not rely on how correct my beliefs are. I think, and this goes for any belief or ideology out there, that most people don't actually care about knowing the truth, they just care about what is going to back their beliefs up. Everybody wants to feel smart and special but being so reluctant to admit that you could be wrong, and this goes for both theists and atheists, just makes you look like an egotistical ass.

Oh, and I also think that it's stupid to try and preach that the Bible is the true word of god and all that because it has been changed so much over time to match up with modern day morality. I always hear that it's because the Bible was written by man and man makes mistakes. Then why follow a book that is written by fallible men? There are also many many people that pick and choose what parts of the bible to believe which is just fucking stupid. If you are going to pick and choose which parts are cool or not then why call yourself a Christian? Like, how can anybody preach that man should follow this one book because it is the true path to god if you pick and choose which parts to actually follow? That's just fucking lazy!

LuckyNumbrXIII said
Not trying to convert anyone.  I'd just like for people to stop accusing me of being anti-science, pro-violence, etc. etc.  Just how hard is it for people to meet me in the middle here?

Your middle may not be another's middle. I don't reject god for science, I'm just not sensitive about religions as I think they're mostly for social control. I pray to god, row for shore, and try not to assume. Hail Xenu or whatever the fuck you say.

Oh, and

the_godlike_smack said
growing up in MONTREAL when your in school your a fucking melting pot its normal to have a little bit of everything all around you and you learn from a very young age that people are different but still people some wear turbans,some speak greek,some english and most french, some people are asian some are black but you learn the difference jamaicans are nothing at all like haithians except they are both black just like cambodians are nothing like the chinease and to me its normal everyone to their own, there is no racism in Montreal and its what makes me so cocky on these forums ..

religion in a whole doesent register to people in Montreal and thats why it was such a shock to me that somebody from Montreal went balistic its insane, and attacked our parliment the world is a bad place.

and its everywhere even in the juggalo community juggalos do despicable shit it cant be helped no matter what you are there is always a bad apple in the bunch.

whoever said respect thy neighbor thats the best advice anyone can ever give respect them because no matter what they may  not  be the same as you but by respecting them and their beliefs it could change their beliefs for a better.

 

GO HABS GO!!

Except for dirty stinking Americans.

No, the person you love most is Pat Joyce.

The bad apple is obviously Lt. B.

Learnin history and science, fuckin wait. Knowing that, will that put food on my plate?

Yes, J. If you are a historian, Social Studies teacher, engineer, or any number of other things. But I get what you're saying. For the blue collar floobs like myself, knowing those things doesn't directly aid in the quest for bill-paying green paper.