11:33 pm
July 28, 2016
Whoop Whoop Noah Fence :
CellE2057If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter
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12:05 pm
July 28, 2016
Psyral Infection said
Hyper realistic? That does not come even close to any definition of hyper realism in terms of art.It is funny though, just not hyper realism.
I dunno that orange cracker looks pretty real
If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter
12:37 pm
September 18, 2012
The slur 'cracker' comes from back when they would call somebody who owned a large bit of land a cracker. Most slave owners typically owned a lot of land. There for white people were typically called crackers.
The more you know about racism!
Also, this should be seen as about as offensive as that meme of a monkey in a suit with people calling it Obama if cracker really was an offensive racial slur.
2:09 pm
July 28, 2016
There is no systemic power reinforcing negative prejudices of white people so words like cracker aren't offensive and hurtful in the same way that depicting a black man as a monkey is.
Also, i believe your history of the word cracker is wrong but i might be mistaken. I had always heard it was used for the poor whites who worked as slave drivers, the crack being the sound the whip makes.
If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter
2:23 pm
July 28, 2016
Also any politician who makes a habit of calling a woman with some native American ancestry "Pocahontas" in an effort to delegitimize her gives up the right to not be called cracker, so even if there were a systemic form of prejudice against white people, mister trump has said it's okay.
And fwiw I told my friend she should paint an anus lol
If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter
4:53 pm
September 18, 2012
Noah Fence said
There is no systemic power reinforcing negative prejudices of white people so words like cracker aren't offensive and hurtful in the same way that depicting a black man as a monkey is.Also, i believe your history of the word cracker is wrong but i might be mistaken. I had always heard it was used for the poor whites who worked as slave drivers, the crack being the sound the whip makes.
Nope, that's a rumor. I found no historical evidence doing my random research on racial slurs.
Noah Fence said
Also any politician who makes a habit of calling a woman with some native American ancestry "Pocahontas" in an effort to delegitimize her gives up the right to not be called cracker, so even if there were a systemic form of prejudice against white people, mister trump has said it's okay.And fwiw I told my friend she should paint an anus lol
That's just shitty logic. It's okay to be racist towards racists? No, if some black dude starts ranting about killing all the whites I don't get to call him a cotton picking nigger then turn around and tell other black people I'm not racist. You're either racist or not, no exception or justification.
5:08 pm
July 28, 2016
You can't be racist against white people because there is no systemic oppression of people because of whiteness.
A black person saying white people deserve to die is doing so within a constant state of oppression, a white person saying that black people deserve to die is doing so within a position of power where black people do die simply for being black. Every single day. The two aren't even. The context matters.
If they were even, which again they aren't, then opting out of common decency the way trump has would make it ok.
Imagine for a second that you were a Jew in nazi Germany. You would likely say awful things about the nazis. This would not make you "just as bad" or "racist against racists". It makes you an oppressed person who is upset and angry, and afraid.
If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter
5:20 pm
September 18, 2012
Noah Fence said
You can't be racist against white people because there is no systemic oppression of people because of whiteness.A black person saying white people deserve to die is doing so within a constant state of oppression, a white person saying that black people deserve to die is doing so within a position of power where black people do die simply for being black. Every single day. The two aren't even. The context matters.
If they were even, which again they aren't, then opting out of common decency the way trump has would make it ok.
Imagine for a second that you were a Jew in nazi Germany. You would likely say awful things about the nazis. This would not make you "just as bad" or "racist against racists". It makes you an oppressed person who is upset and angry, and afraid.
The definition of racism doesn't change to fit your narrative. Racism is still racism no matter what and it's wrong no matter what.
Now, a black person resenting white people is more understandable while a white person hating black people seems more despicable. But facts are facts and they don't change because something feels more wrong than the other. It's all racism and it's all immoral. End of story. No changing the rules around.
And your Nazi comparison is also shitty logic. Because Nazis are not a race. The are a political party that believes in killing Jews. Bigotry towards Jews is in the very definition of being a Nazi while being bigoted towards blacks is not in the definition of being white.
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Psyral, CellE2057, SouthernSamurai6:46 pm
October 30, 2013
"Black guy makes a white guy joke"
"The white guy sez, "Aw man... that ain't cool, man... I'm tellin' ya... that shit's gettin' old! You got maybe another couple hundred years of bein' able to say that shit... an' then..."
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10:27 pm
June 3, 2013
Noah Fence said
You can't be racist against white people because there is no systemic oppression of people because of whiteness.A black person saying white people deserve to die is doing so within a constant state of oppression, a white person saying that black people deserve to die is doing so within a position of power where black people do die simply for being black. Every single day. The two aren't even. The context matters.
If they were even, which again they aren't, then opting out of common decency the way trump has would make it ok.
Imagine for a second that you were a Jew in nazi Germany. You would likely say awful things about the nazis. This would not make you "just as bad" or "racist against racists". It makes you an oppressed person who is upset and angry, and afraid.
Haha. That's so fucking dumb.
11:19 pm
September 19, 2014
Noah Fence said
Lmao
That's the shit. I would buy that poster.
Noah Fence said
You can't be racist against white people because there is no systemic oppression of people because of whiteness.
That's fucking dumb. I would not buy that poster.
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scruffy11:35 am
July 28, 2016
It isn't dumb. Racism is an inherently systemic issue. POC experience racism as a collection of actions against them. Calling a white person cracker isn't part of a larger system of oppression and therefore isn't equal to calling a black person the n slur. The two are just completely different.
Whiteness only exists because a group of people decided that anything not white was a savage that needed to be slaughtered or forced into chattel slavery.
Think of it like, if you're in a room and a guy has a gun to your head. If you say "you should die" it carries a lot less weight than if the guy with the gun says it. Systemic oppression is the gun. The history of racism is the gun.
If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter
4:35 pm
September 18, 2012
Noah Fence said
It isn't dumb. Racism is an inherently systemic issue. POC experience racism as a collection of actions against them. Calling a white person cracker isn't part of a larger system of oppression and therefore isn't equal to calling a black person the n slur. The two are just completely different.Whiteness only exists because a group of people decided that anything not white was a savage that needed to be slaughtered or forced into chattel slavery.
Think of it like, if you're in a room and a guy has a gun to your head. If you say "you should die" it carries a lot less weight than if the guy with the gun says it. Systemic oppression is the gun. The history of racism is the gun.
We get what your saying but it's fucking retarded. You're trying to warp the definition of racism to fit a shitty narrative.
Just because one is more oppressed doesn't mean it's right to discriminate against the other. That is fucking stupid.
Also, note how I said how it would be as offensive IF cracker was an offensive term. I'm 10 steps ahead of you on that, and you still got triggered on it.
Don't make this about you being a fucking Mexican. First off, you're not a fucking Mexican you're an American. 2nd off you're super fucking white and do not look at all like a Hispanic person to me. 3rd off "Rob Tidwell" is a fucking white name. 4th off, I bet my complexion is darker than yours you fucking bleached bastard. 5th off our races don't matter, you're still being a dumb ass.
Quit being a hypocrite and quit trying to be racist towards white people. You're like the opposite of Uncle Ruckus, white guy that hates white people. Try as hard as you can to not be white, but you can't escape that you are white. Super fucking white. You're so white you glow in the dark. You're whiter than a Nickleback concert. You're so white that I bet "I like to speak to your manager" is one of your favorite phrases. You'r so white that you probably have a pattern of pimples on your back that map out the Caucasus Mountains. You're so white cops probably say, "good day, sir" to you. You're so white that you probably would have gotten the shit kicked out of you in a Ferguson riot. Probably would have been like, "Hi, my name is Rob Tidwell, I am a certified minority as well, so I can relate to the emotions you must have now. I have credentials, I can pull out my race card if you need proof" and POW you'd get an angry black fist in the face. They would whoop your cracker ass. Like, I'm sorry to tell you but you look, sound, dress and behave like a white person. I on the other hand keep being told I'm black. That probably makes you jealous too. You, trying so hard to be anything but white but always being known for the white person you are. Me, a white guy who really doesn't care what race he is, more accepted into the culture you're always trying to defend. And I'm still confused on how a guy from Cali could act whiter than a dude from Utah. I have a friend named Dale who is a gay black dude and he'd think you're a straight up pussy. So there's that too. Oh, and news flash. People don't like it when you treat their race like a disability, Rob. You know that movie "Get Out"? Yeah, that movie was made about you.
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Psyral10:58 pm
September 19, 2014
Noah Fence said
It isn't dumb. Racism is an inherently systemic issue. POC experience racism as a collection of actions against them. Calling a white person cracker isn't part of a larger system of oppression and therefore isn't equal to calling a black person the n slur. The two are just completely different.Whiteness only exists because a group of people decided that anything not white was a savage that needed to be slaughtered or forced into chattel slavery.
Think of it like, if you're in a room and a guy has a gun to your head. If you say "you should die" it carries a lot less weight than if the guy with the gun says it. Systemic oppression is the gun. The history of racism is the gun.
Yes it is dumb, Rob. Hating someone because of their race is what racism is. You can use racism to oppress and most oppressors use some form of bigotry/sexism/racism but those words are not interchangeable. You can be racist and not oppress.
Trying to blur the line on what words mean to fit a narrative is a reoccurring problem with you that I hope you can fix sometime. Believe me or don't but I don't say that with any malice for you. You have some valid points and you're trying to do good but you go about it wrong quite often. Words have meaning, man. You can make your arguments without pretending otherwise.
You're right. "White" (or whiteness, if you prefer) is a slippery term that means different things across the world and it can be used to capture the weak-minded into one form of tribalism or another. You know what doesn't make that go away though? Pretending that POC can't be racist. Telling white people that they've never experienced racism without knowing their story only adds fuel to an already ignorant, bigoted, violent, bloody fire that should have burned out a long ass time ago.
11:15 pm
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August 6, 2013
You are all arguing semantics. Instead of discussing the issue, you're fighting over what the word RACISM means. Rob is talking about Racism with a capital R, which is often called institutional racism. This is the idea that there is systematic oppression, whether intentional or otherwise, that most if not all people of color face in this nation and others. If you are using this term of Racism, then Rob is totally correct when he says you can't be racist against white people because the word by definition applies to underrepresented people.
Most the rest of you are talking about racism with a little r. Which is the laymen's definition of racism, the idea the superiority or inferiority of a race, or the discrimination of someone based on race. Under this definition you can ABSOLUTELY be racist against white people.
The issue here stems from the fact that Rob asserts that everyone takes his definition of what racism means. The language culture of this forum is obviously not allowing that. To which I pose the question: why do you think this definition has changed in academia? Will the capital R Racism ever become the mainstream view? Because fighting over what racism is and isn't is a giant waste of time if you can't agree on what the word means.
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