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Psychopathic Records and their artist's have been known for a beef or two. Keep in mind that these beefs may or may not be old news. This is just a little bit of a run-down on what happened. Thanks to KaOTiK for writing all these up!

Esham vs. D-12

Eminem is a very controversial rapper. It seems as if half of the rap industry loves Eminem, half of the rap industry would love to get five minutes alone with the young white rapper. Psychopathic Records makes up a large portion of the half that cannot stand the rapper. However, of all the feud's between Psychopathic and Eminem, Esham seems to have the most intense die-hard hatred for him. Esham was the biggest name to come out of Detroit. Any rap artists you know who came out of Detroit was in some way influenced by Esham. That includes ICP, Twiztid, Eminem, and even Kid Rock. Esham had some sort of influence on them, Eminem himself admits that.

It is said that in 1997 Proof from D12 was opening a show for rap star Lil' Kim in Detroit. Esham had decided to attend the show and watched on from the crowd. It didn't seem odd at all when the Godfather of the wicked shit was asked to come on stage. The hometown crowd went insane for the UNHOLY one. As Esham picked up a microphone Trick Trick, a local rapper, attacked Esham after Proof called him onstage. After this happened all hell broke loose, but that night would be the last of the feud with Proof for awhile.

Eminem released a cd shortly before gaining his fame called "Till Hell Freezes Over" he indirectly mentioned Esham on a song where he says "I think I fucked my head up listening to acid rap." Acid rap being the style of rap Esham created and named himself. Then, on Eminem's first major label album, "The Slim Shady LP" on the track "Still Don't Give A Fuck" Eminem once again mentioned Esham saying "Ever since I was born, my mama lost me. I'm a cross between Manson, Esham, and Ozzy." Esham took this as a compliment at first, and even quoted that lyric in his "Bootleg From The Lost Vault" album. However, soon afterwards Esham changed his attitude towards the white rapper for some reason. In Murder Dog Magazine Esham called Eminem racist and said instead of "M&M" he should be called "Skittles, cause any faggot can taste his rainbow." Esham followed this by releasing the album "Tongues" which featured many brutal shots at not only Eminem but his daughter and wife as well. Eminem replied on the song "Kill You" on his "Marshall Mathers LP" when he says "I ain't acid rap but I rap on acid, got a new blowup doll and just had a strap-on added. Whoops, was that a subliminal diss?!"

The situation became violent at Vans Warped Tour where both Esham's group NATAS and D12 were appearing. Both Esham and D12 were removed from the tour in the Summer of 2001 when a backstage altercation occured. Eminem didn't appear at this show, but Esham and NATAS member TNT were jumped by twenty to thirty people including D12 and their security force. TNT had very little injuries, Esham though suffered a broken nose, ruptered eyeball, hearing damage, and a concussion. Esham accused Eminem of masterminding the plan and not being there to be a part of it. After the attack people began to wonder about Esham's future in the rap industry, but Esham shot back at the Shady camp in the song "Shady MF" on NATAS's "Godlike" album.

Then, in California outside of an Eminem video shoot Esham, TNT, and about fifteen gang members attacked Proof and Obie Trice and two other Shady Records employees were involved. In 2002 Esham signed with Psychopathic Records and released "Acid Rain" a greatest hits with a little new material featured on it which had a few hard to notice Eminem disses. Proof of D12 responded with a track called "E.S.H.A.M." supposedly an acronym for Every Sucka Has A Moment. The song attacked Esham saying he's a Detroit legend eight years ago, but now has no respect.

Esham responded with several disses to D12, Eminem, as well as his daughter, wife, and even his uncle who comitted suicide on his first full length Psychopathic release "Repentance." Many people feel that Eminem will surely respond to the brutal disses Esham dealt out on "Repentance" but only time will tell what Shady Records has in store for the Boogieman.

ICP vs. Disney

The shady business side of the music industry was getting a little tough for the wicked clowns in the mid-1990's. Jive Records had signed them telling them they'd distribute all ICP albums nationwide. However, when ICP released the third jokers card, "The Riddle Box," on Jive they found out it was only in stores in the same Detroit area they'd already been selling copies in for years. They could've sold the album on their own with no major label and made more money than what they did. After the release ICP was forced to promote themselves throughout the country using a van, some samplers, and a travelling street team of hardcore juggalos. After this ICP swore Jive would never get another album out of them. But Jive wasn't going to release ICP from their contract unless they were paid. So the two parties were at a stalemate, until Hollywood Records came along and solved everyone's problems, or so they thought.

Hollywood Records is owned by the Walt Disney Co. When ICP heard this they were very weary about the deal. But Hollywood was very interested in them, and Jive was doing nothing. After some convincing talk about Disney also owning Miramax Films who release all types of ruthless movies, ICP accepted only because they were promised not to be edited or censored. That would turn out to be proven a lie almost immedietly when three songs were removed from "The Great Milenko" due to extreme content. Obviously ICP were upset, but they were also under contract, so "Under The Moon," "Boogie Woogie Wu," and "The Neden Game" were removed and songs like "Piggy Pie" had the lyrics altered. At last the album was ready, Hollywood had officially bought ICP's contract from Jive and the fourth Jokers card hit the streets nationwide. Six hours later, it was right back off of the shelves.

A massive group of Southern Baptists began to boycott Disney because of their recent "Gay Day" event for homosexuals. They just happened to boycott the same week that "The Great Milenko" came out. When this giant group of Baptists began complaining, Disney wanted to get rid of anything that could be used as ammunition against them. One of those things were The Insane Clown Posse. Disney recalled the "Great Milenko" the day it was released. After the recall Disney tried to hide the fact they ever had anything to do with ICP. They planned to pull the record then drop ICP from the label. Alex Abbiss and his intelligent business mind didn't allow they to happen. He called the Los Angeles Times newspaper and told them the story, the rest is history.

After the album was recalled, the wicked clowns were everywhere. And Disney were everywhere as well, only it wasn't exactly good promotion for Disney. ICP on the other hand were in luck. All over the country people were talking about them, they had major promotion now. They also had a major record label, because Disney wanted 2 million dollars to release ICP from their contract. ICP was once again in the same position as they were with Jive Records, only worse.

Alex Abbiss once again saved the day when he went to a meeting with Michael Eisner, Disney CEO and one of the most powerful men in the entertainment industry. Shortly after this meeting ICP were released from their contracts and didn't pay anywhere near 2 million dollars. Rumor has it that Abbiss told Eisner that if he didn't lower the price Alex and the loyal fanbase of juggalos would come to Disney World burn it to the ground, and leave the Magic Kingdom in ashes. However, that has yet to be proven.

ICP was now free from Hollywood's tyranny, but had an album that wasn't in stores and no record label. However, after the huge buzz ICP had created labels nationwide wanted to sign them. That included Capital, Interscope, and even Death Row Records wanted their hands on the band that had the largest album recall in history. Eventually Island Records approached ICP, and seemed like they really knew what ICP were all about rather than just worried about the huge news story around them. ICP eventually signed with Island and re-released "The Great Milenko" nationwide with the three tracks that were removed, and it went Platinum. ICP remained on Island for three years before a merger with Def Jam caused ICP to become lost in the shuffle of artists and eventually causing them to leave the label.

ICP vs. Eminem

In the mid-1990's Detroit's underground music scene was going incredibly well. Their were the major acts really making some noise such as ICP, Kid Rock, Esham the UNHOLY, NATAS, and House Of Krazees. And their were countless scores of other acts trying to make it big. One of those acts was the rap superstar of today, Eminem. At a local release party Eminem printed flyers saying listing all of these major Detroit acts and more may appear at his party. After seeing these flyers ICP were angered by the rapper using their name to draw their fanbase, but thought little more of it until after the local rapper had gained national fame.

In 1998 Eminem was a hot topic throughout the country. He was just beginning to get national attention and was making an appearance on Howard Stern's radio show. Howard, a longtime friend of ICP, asked Eminem what he thought of other Detroit artists. He listed Kiss, Kid Rock, and eventually ICP. Eminem acted like he didn't know ICP at first, then he said that they used to kick their asses before. The next day Stern brought ICP on the show to ask about this, and Violent J said they didn't even know him. Shortly afterwards ICP hit the studio with Twiztid to record "Slim Anus." The war had begun!

"Slim Anus" was a remix of Eminem's hit song "My Name Is" with altered lyrics dissing Eminem calling him a homosexual in every way possible. The song was played on The Juggalo Show, Mancow's Radio Show, Howard Stern's radio show, and was eventually released on the album "Psychopathics From Outer Space." Eminem responded to the diss with two of his own on "The Marshall Mathers L.P." on a song entitled "Marshall Mathers." Again the gay disses were used, as well as claiming ICP weren't from Detroit, and threatening to fight them. He also released a skit called "Ken Kaniff" featuring two guys giving another guy oral sex and calling each other Shaggy and Violent J.

Not long afterwards Eminem found himself in some legal troubles. He pulled a gun Psychopathic employee Douglas Dail, known better as Dougie. Some type of altercation occured and Eminem ended up pulling a gun on Dail. This feuled the fire inside the feud and ICP released an Internet release song entitled "Nuttin But A Bitch Thang" which featured shots at not only Eminem but also his daughter and wife. Following this diss Eminem began throwing two blowup dolls painted like ICP around the stage and out into the crowd. Then on ICP's "Bizzar/Bizaar" album a song titled "Please Don't Hate Me" was directed at Eminem.

Psychopathic rapper Esham also had troubles with Eminem, and ICP appears on his album throwing a diss at both D-12 and Eminem's ex-wife Kim. To this date Eminem has yet to respond. Has the feud died out? Most likely it has, but only time will tell if Eminem will respond and revive this incredible rap battle. A battle that was serious enough to be featured on the documentary on rappers rivalries entitled "Beef 2" which is scheduled for an August 2004 release.

Esham vs. ICP

When ICP released the first Jokers Card they needed some big local names to gain some support in Detroit. They looked to one of the rappers who inspired them, that was Esham the UNHOLY. Esham appeared many times on "Carnival of Carnage." Not only did he rap on the song "Taste" but he also recorded many of the tracks from the album in Esham's Hell's Door studio. He even produced some of the tracks himself. The friendship was also evident on "Beverly Killz 50187" when Esham produced and appeared in the song "Chop Chop." At this time it's unclear exactly what happened, but after this ICP and Esham chose to stop collaborating.

Esham reunited with the wicked clowns in 2000 when he appeared on the songs "Bizzar" and "Questions" on ICP's album. Shortly afterwards Violent J made an appearance on Esham's new album "Tongues" on the song "Panic Attack." However, in another song on this album Esham dissed Violent J by saying "treat you like Joe Bruce with two faces." He had J as a guest and dissed him on the same album. In an interview after the album was released Esham blatantly called Joe Bruce a racist and two-faced. J responded on ICP's site saying that Esham has ALWAYS blamed his problems on race, and he had no idea why Esham was pissed. He said that the reason Esham never signed to Psychopathic because he made unwise business decisions.

On "Forgotten Freshness Volume 3" ICP dissed Esham for the first time on an album in the song "Cartoon Nightmares." Esham however, showed up at the annual Big Ballers Christmas Party and he and his crew talked with Violent J throughout the night, no one knew what about though. Until June of 2002 at the Gathering of the Juggalos. Kittie were scheduled to perform, but due to conflicting dates on Ozzfest they couldn't perform, and Esham the UNHOLY replaced them on the lineup. Esham was also on stage during ICP's performance throwing Faygo. On the website about a month later Violent J announced that Esham would be on Psychopathic Records.

Since Esham joined Psychopathic Records he and ICP formed a Psychopathic supergroup called the Soopa Villains, and longtime Detroit juggalos are anxiously anticipating the release. At the Gathering Esham said that he and J. were like brothers, and family fight at times, but ICP and Esham are inseparable. Now all the heavyweights of the underground Detroit scene are united as one under the hatchet. Esham almost immedietly released a greatest hits album called "Acid Rain" and dropped the Unholy name and began using Esham the Boogieman. Esham has now been on Psychopathic for over a year and released his debut full length Psychopathic album entitled "Repentance" and he plans to tour and promote it soon.

ICP vs. Kid Rock

As ICP began their careers starting off trying to make some noise in Detroit for the first jokers card they knew they needed some big local names to get the attention of the local audience. At the time, the two biggest local names in Detroit were Esham the UNHOLY and Kid Rock. Neither would appear on the album for cheap, but ICP covered the money and had both on "The Carnival of Carnage." Kid Rock was huge in Detroit and had released many albums and sold out many clubs. He even had a major record deal and was touring the nation at times. ICP were never personally fans of Kid Rock, or his music. Violent J has gone on record many times about how hard Kid Rock is to get along with.

On a record after doing the song "Is That You?" with ICP Kid Rock made a rhyme saying "don't call me Joe cause the Joe's I know can't even flow." This was an obvious diss at ICP since both members real names are Joe. ICP fired back on Shaggy 2 Dope's solo album "Fuck Off!" in the title song "Fuck Off!" In the track Shaggy 2 Dope says "I won't mix no rap with rock n' roll, like somebody else I know!" Rumor has it that in an interview or something Kid Rock said when asked about appearing on an ICP album that "there's nothing wacker than a wicked clown." After ICP didn't reply to the diss Kid Rock appeared on Uncle Kracker's album in a song called "If Heaven Ain't Alot Like Detroit." In the song Uncle Kracker shouts the rhyme "Fuck Faygo bitch we pound cans of Strohs." This prompted ICP to fire back on the song "Posse On Vernor" which was made for the compilation album "Take A Bite Outta Rhyme." Violent J says "Junkie on the corner, kneedle about to shoot, with a rebel flag and some cowboy boots. The closer that we got, the clearer it became, it was Kid Rock yelling WHAT'S MY NAME?!" Since then Kid Rock hasn't replied, perhaps he feels at his level of stardom dissing ICP would just help gain them attention. However, only time will tell if Kid Rock will ever reply to ICP's diss.

Psychopathic vs. Marz

Dark Lotus is a Psychopathic supergroup. The lineup consists of six heavy-hitters from the Hatchet's roster. Dark Lotus is Violent J, Shaggy 2 Dope, Jamie Madrox, Monoxide Child, Blaze Ya Dead Homie, and Anybody Killa. However, in the beginning, it was very different. Originally on ICP's website it was announced that the sixth petal of the Lotus would be Marz. Marz opened ICP's Bizzar/Bizaar Tour and from there became very involved in Psychopathic. Marz recorded a song called "Fuck Dem'" along with ICP which was featured on the 2001 Psychopathic Sampler. However, Marz was yet to sign to Psychopathic, but rumors were flying throughout the entire juggalo community.

The next to be heard of Marz was the release of "Tales From The Lotus Pod." The six original members of Dark Lotus performed live at the 2001 Gathering of the Juggalos for the first, and last time. Shortly after the album was released it was announced that Psychopathic was severing all ties with Marz and E-Magine Records. Psychopathic denied any beef, but Marz said he would be releasing a song at midnight on Halloween called "The Real Dark Lotus." The song was released and was a very strange song that in several parts could be taken as a diss. He claimed he was the "real" Dark Lotus and sampled songs from "Tales From The Lotus Pod" as well as sounds from Psychopathic theatrical release "Big Money Hustlas."

While Marz sat on the sidelines the rest of the Lotus was busy headlining the incredible Hatchet Rizing Tour nationwide. However, they were one member short. It was annouced later that the real "Tales From The Lotus Pod" would be released at the next Gathering featuring Anybody Killa rapping over Marz' verses. During this time Marz had just signed with Jonathan Davis' of KoRn's Elementree label. Marz had plans of releasing a followup to his "Lung Fu Mo She" album called "Gorilla Pimpin.'" Marz was scheduled to open for KoRn and even tour with Ozzfest. However things just seemed to go downhill for him from there. Marz was for some reason dropped from Elementree and removed from the Ozzfest tour lineup.

When the Dark Lotus revisited album was released Anybody Killa rapped over all of Marz's verses. And on the song "Bitch I'm Sexy" Violent J comes in rather than Marz to shout "Ay yo Marz, you never was Lotus and you know this, BITCH!" Marz was angry enough to put a picture of him pointing a pistol at a camera and threatening Violent J. However he took it back down shortly afterwards, and apologized. When Twiztid began planning to tour to promote their upcoming album "The Green Book" they enlisted the new free-agent Marz to open the tour for them. However shortly before the tour kicked Violent J reportedly pulled some strings and had Marz removed from the tour lineup.

Currently Dark Lotus just released their second release "Black Rain" with Anybody Killa rather than Marz and juggalos are enjoying the new Lotus. The black preists of the Dark Carnival are planning a nationwide tour currently beginning in Late April to support their new album. Marz on the other hand has released an album entitled "Gorilla Pimpin'" as well as mixtape displaying some of his new sound.

ICP vs. Mike E. Clark

When ICP began their journey into the music industry it wasn't easy. They had many problems trying to find someone to produce their music. In fact, the producers that dealt with were hell. Until one day, they met up with Mike E. Clark, and it seemed perfect. Mike Clark's production and ICP's music fit very well together. From "Carnival of Carnage" on Mike Clark produced ICP's music. However, 2000 was a rough time for everyone. The Lienda and Ray Day programs caused many juggalos to begin doubting the two wicked clowns that they had followed for so long. In October of 2000 Mike E. Clark and ICP did the last work together that they would do, "Bizzar" and "Bizaar."

During the Bizzar/Bizaar Tour ICP hired Mike Puwal to build Psychopathic Records very own studio, The Lotus Pod. Somewhere during the construction of the studio it was discovered that Mike was a great guitar player and could produce music very well. Obviously after The Lotus Pod was built, ICP no longer had to go to Mike Clark's studio, The Funhouse any longer. And now that they had Mike Puwal, better known as Mike P. of Zug Izland, they no longer needed Mike E. to produce their music.

Mike P. produced all of the music of ICP's first installment of the sixth jokers card, "The Wraith: Shangri La" and there has been no word of any Mike Clark production on "Hell's Pit" verified yet. Clark produced a few tracks on the "Tales From The Lotus Pod" record, and even produced Twiztid's "Wondering Why" song on "The Green Book." However since then Clark has been more busy with label B4 Records and trying to make a name for himself through that. Clark also teamed up with Detroit standout Prozak to produce the group Project: Deadman spitting the wicked shit. The group was quickly signed to Strange Music and many juggalos are definately into the sound Project: Deadman has.

ICP vs. Sharon Osbourne/Coal Chamber

The era of the fifth jokers card was very hectic. Their was a massive tour featuring Krazy Bone, Mindless Self Indulgence, Twiztid, and Biohazard. And then, there was Coal Chamber. Coal Chamber and the juggalos didn't exactly hit it off. And only a few dates into the Amazing Jeckel Brothers Tour, Coal Chamber released from the lineup. This action angered some people, most namely Coal Chamber's manager Sharon Osbourne, the wife of Ozzy Osbourne, the star of The Osbournes and her own TV show, and of course the bitch of the universe.

Shortly after Coal Chamber was kicked off the tour, they and ICP both appeared on Howard Stern's show. And everything was peaceful and dealt with in a mature fashion. They were brought on shortly after to confront Sharon Osbourne who was immature and threw a complete fit. ICP returned her actions with their own immaturity and dissing. Sharon wasn't used to a band standing up to her and not treating her like a queen of the rock world and became angry. At one point Sharon even threw her eyeglasses at Violent J! She talked down on their album and made a bet that their next album will not sell 200,000 copies and ICP insisted they'd sell double that. And $50,000 dollars was on the line.

The next album they released was Bizzar/Bizaar. Combined the two albums sold over half a million copies. Individually they sold over 250,000 copies and rightfully ICP won the bet. However, they never receieved the cash. That is very much a shame on Sharon's part since ICP announced that they were planning to donate the money to a September 11th fund for victim's family. Violent J is reported to have sent out a public message to Sharon to not even give them the money, just donate it to charity in their name, but it has yet to happen.

Twiztid vs. Myzery

Myzery was a very close friend of Jumpsteady, Psychopathic Don and Violent J's brother. Myzery and Jumpsteady met through Jumpsteady's wife Nancy several years ago. Myzery was an up and coming rapper trying to make it big in the New York area. Unlike most other Psychopathic artists he didn't begin on the underground scene in Detroit. Myzery also has a rap style very different from others at Psychopathic. At around the same time that ICP were establishing a friendship with the House of Krazees Jumpsteady brought Myzery into the mix. Both HOK and Myzery opened tour dates for ICP and the juggalos seemed to enjoy HOK more, but didn't dislike Myzery at all either. When it came time to expand Psychopathic Records the separation of HOK just happened at the perfect time and two members, Hektik (Monoxide Child) and Mr. Bonez (Jamie Madrox) joined the label under the name Twiztid. J's brother Jumpsteady also convinced the rest of Psychopathic Records that Myzery would do well on the album. Psychopathic signed Myzery and he soon released his debut album on Psychopathic. The album was called "Para La Isla" which translates into For The Island. The album didn't do incredibly well, but didn't bomb either.

Myzery was soon featured on other Psychopathic collaborations. ICP, Twiztid, and Myzery, all of Psychopathic at the time, recorded a song called "Meat Cleaver" which was featured on Twiztid's album "Cryptic Collection" and Psychopathic Records various artists album "Psychopathics From Outer Space." And most notably, Myzery appeared on Psychopathic Rydas release "Dumpin" rapping under the name Twin Gats. Soon after things began to fall apart. Myzery and Psychopathic Records soon decided to go there separate ways. The reasons were never revealed, although many say Myzery began to see he'd get nowhere in the rap industry with ICP who are possibly the most disrespected rap artists ever.

At the Gathering of the Juggalos in Toledo, Ohio Myzery made an appearance. Things were going well at first. Myzery came out to perform with the rest of the Rydas and got a very warm welcome from many of the juggalos in attendance. Then somewhere along the weekend things went wrong. Evidently there was a misunderstanding during Twiztid's performance and afterwards Twiztid and Psychopathic artist Blaze Ya Dead Homie went to find Myzery and his crew. No one will ever know positively what happened there except the people who were involved. However we know that there was an altercation between the two groups. Blaze was stabbed with scissors, Myzery and his people did leave the Gathering immedietly afterwards under there own will, they weren't removed by any officials. Since then there has been nothing but bad blood between Twiztid and Myzery.

Myzery would return to the Gathering one year later and attempt to sell his album to the juggalos and juggalettes there. He wasn't welcomed quite as well after the incident with Twiztid. Although he did sell a few albums, most juggalos didn't have anything nice to say to the rapper. The album he sold there featured a song called "Untwiztid" which was a blatant shot at the serial killin juggalo group as well as Blaze and Anybody Killa. Then Myzery would be unheard of for another year, until the next Gathering where he was seen several times and it was speculated that he would appear on Jumpsteady's second album. Jumpsteady denied any problem between Psychopathic Records and Myzery, but lines in the Twiztid tracks "Everybody Diez" and "Serial Killa" are supposedly directed at Myzery. We may never know what really happened between Twiztid and Myzery, but we do know that Myzery and Psychopathic parted ways and it doesn't look as if that will change anytime soon.

Twiztid vs. Bushwick Bill

Bushwick Bill is one of the rappers from the group The Geto Boys. ICP have covered Geto Boys songs and list them as one of their influences. The Geto Boys were one of the original wicked rap group, and Bushwick Bill continues to rap to this day with only one eye, and at only three feet tall. It was no surprise that Twiztid wanted an originator of wicked rap on their album "The Green Book." And for a very heavy price Bushwick agreed to appear on the album and everyone was happy. However, after the album was released it was pointed out to Twiztid that Bushwick rapped an unoriginal rhyme that is in another Bushwick song. So Bushwick Bill collected the money and rapped an old rhyme in the Twiztid song "Everybody Diez."

Obviously Twiztid was upset that they paid just to have him recycle a rhyme. Monoxide Child thanked all the guests who appeared on "The Green Book" except for Bushwick. And he told Bushwick exactly how he felt about what had happened and told him to watch his back since he was scheduled to perform at that years Gathering of the Juggalos only two months later. Then, at the Gathering both Bushwick Bill and Twiztid were in attendance. However, at Twiztid's seminar they said that all beef with Bushwick Bill had been forgotten and put behind them. Besides, how could they beat up a midget with one eye? This didn't stop the juggalos though. As Bushwick went on stage just before ICP many juggalos littered the stage with trash and Faygo bottles booing him. Halfway through the set it seemed as if Bushwick was winning the crowd over slightly. Then he brought a rap group on stage who were immedietly booed off and that was the end of Bushwick's performance. The only other connection since then Bushwick has had with ICP was the song "Out There" by ICP which featured him on the album "Psychopathics From Outer Space Part Two."

Twiztid vs. Kottonmouth Kings

Very little is known on the problems that exist between Psychopathic's serial killing duo and the Golden State's own stoners wreaking havoc. At first they were on good terms and even collaborated together on the Hallowicked track "Pumpkin Carvers" along with the Insane Clown Posse. Somewhere after this song was recorded there was a falling out between the two juggalo favorites. Many believe this falling out involves the ill-fated Stoned In The Cemetary Tour the two groups were supposed to do together. Twiztid was scheduled to headline the East Coast dates, and Kottonmouth Kings were to headline the West Coast dates, however somewhere along the line the tour was cancelled for reasons still unknown.

Following the cancellation of the tour was only a war of the words. Both groups appeared at several of the annual Juggalo Gathering events. In Twiztid's seminar it was reported that Twiztid just said that they and the Kottonmouth Kings just didn't get along and wouldn't be working together anytime soon. Then on the Psychopathic compilation album, "Psychopathics From Outer Space Part Two," Twiztid released a song called "Hollywood, I'm Coming" which featured a shot at the Kottonmouth Kings. In the song Twiztid's Jamie Madrox makes a reference to the Kottonmouth Kings song "Sleepers" when he says "ain't nobody asleep, you're only slept on cause your shit is played and weak." Then at the end of his verse he says "ordinary wannabe's, fly-by-night, high emcees, they called that one dude..... because he's like fifty-three." The name Daddy X. had been edited out of the song.

Rumors have it that "Hollywood, I'm Coming" was an older Twiztid song recorded when the tour first fell out, and just now getting released on an album. Regardless of the circumstances the Kottonmouth Kings felt their was no choice but to respond to the diss. On a song released from the Kottonmouth Kings upcoming album "Fire It Up" called "Bring It On" the line "Mr. website ryda from Kalamazoo, the words you speaking are untrue, so we say fuck you" is said to be directed at Twiztid member Jamie Madrox.

Just months after the release of KMK's "Fire It Up" album, Twiztid called up some of the members of KMK, and they buried the hatchet. The beef had gone on for far too long, and neither of the groups were going anywhere anytime soon. So rather than being at each other's throats for the remainder of their careers over something so irrelevant, they now have nothing but respect for each other.

ICP vs. Mancow

Over the many years that ICP has been around, they have made many enemies, and a few friends here and there. They thought that Mancow, a morning radio host based in Chicago, was one of those few people. To show their appreciation for his help in promotion, they have even written a track for Mancow called "Mancow Made Us Rich and Famous".

Throughout 2003-2004, ICP was scheduled to show up for interviews on Mancow's show, and had problems getting there time and time again. After an aired phone call from Alex Abyss, Mancow renounced his support of the Insane Clown Posse, and hasn't let up ever since. In February of 2005, he had fellow-Juggalo Vanilla Ice on his show. Some negative comments were made about ICP, which led Ice to quickly come to their defense. Soon after, Violent J put up a post at InsaneClownPosse.com that said the following:

    For those of you who don't know who Mancow is, you're lucky. Because he's a fucknut in our book. He is a radio DJ from Chicago who, in our opinion, is forever clung on to the ball sac of Howard Stern. Mancow backwards spells Howard Stern--everybody knows that. Even so, he was our friend. But now, we only know him as "The Lame Ass Sissy Bitch Man."

    Mancow is your typical nerd, fuck-ass, morning jock DJ who thinks he's craaaaazy wild. He does dumb shit on the air. You know, dumb stunts and shit. Big fuckin' deal. Who gives a fuck. Blow these fuckin' nuts on the air, bitch.

    We first met Mancow back in '97 when the whole Disney thing went down. We did the fresh ass Howard Stern show, and then miraculously Mancow suddenly invited us on with the quickness. At first he was cool as hell. We felt like he was our boy. We could walk up in his place paintless, and we did even. They were our peoples and it was all cool. We did his radio show a bunch of times and we did some other shit for him too--some lame-ass shit, in fact. But the more we did shit together, the more Mancow started to act like we owed him something. He would crack these lil' fuck-ass jokes off air acting like he was the reason for all our success. Then his lil' team of nut-swingers would add their fuckin' two cents. Please. Mancow can go suck a poopsickle on that one. We built our own success. Bitch, please, Mancow's show don't even play music except for like a verse anyway. It's all bullshit talk.

    One time Shaggy and myself even flew out to Chicago just for one of his stupid radio stunts because, well, they damn near begged us to. When we got there it was an early morning drunk party at some Irish bar. It was a horrible sight. A complete fucking flop. There was about 50 fuckin' weird-ass Mancow fans there, all men, and all drunk. There was a midget laying in a blow-up baby pool, half full of cream corn. And some guy walking around with half a head. No lie, I'm not lying to you. He had half a head. We were all standing up on this tiny stage together. And Hacksaw Jim fuckin' Duggan was there too somehow. (This all sounds like a bad dream, but this is true.) Then the half head guy walked up to me and Shaggy and poured some beer into the top of his halfhead and somehow spit it outta his mouth right on me. He sprayed me like Tajiri. I didn't know whether I should sock the last half of his head or what. The whole experience sucked badly but we played it off as best we could, for Mancow, our buddy.

    Everything seemed to be cool for a few years. We even made a lil' Mancow song for him once. He was one of our very few radio homies. But like I was saying, more and more he started to get shitty. Well, one day we missed a scheduled appearance on his show. And he suddenly just started talking shit on the air. Like a tiny bearded bitch, he just suddenly decided to switch sides on us. His panties were all bunched up extra tight 'cause we missed doing his show for the millionth time. Fuck him and fuck his played out show. I'm so fuckin' glad we fell out. It was bound to happen. Goofy jock fuck DJs and ICP don't mix, bitch. Not to mention, it seemed to us like Mancow got real pissed when his secretary girlfriend was undressing my large frame with her eyes. That's right, bitch. And I thought Mancow was gonna cry when he found out we made our homie Howard Stern a lil' song too. He looked like he was wellin' up pretty good to us. I thought tears was gonna come flowin'.

    Now recently, our fuckin' Juggalo homie Vanilla Ice went on Mancow's show. Our homie Rob went on there and he was doing his thing promoting his current rap tour. A Juggalo called in and asked if Ice was gonna play the Gathering of the Juggalos this year. Vanilla Ice started shootin' out some Clown Love and all that and Mancow had to suddenly open his dick warmer (his mouth). Mancow started dissin' the hell outta ICP sayin' that we're yesterday's news and we lip-synch and all that bullshit. Mancow's a fuckin' dumbass. We don't lip-synch. Bitch, fuck you.

    What a grown ass crybaby that Mancow is. And his fuckin' show sucks, too. All I gotta do is hear Mancow's voice and I instantly fall asleep. He's so stale and lame that when I hear him, I just shut down until he's gone. I have a CD of Mancow that puts my one-month-old out in seconds. That's how stale Mancow is. Thankfully they threw him the fuck off the air here in Detroit. His staleness must have been causin' car accidents. I'm sure it won't be long before the few other cities that he's on follows Detroit's lead and throws him off the air too. And what the mother fuckin' hell kind of name is Mancow? He should just go by Mr. Asshole.

    Much fuckin' love to Vanilla Ice for having our backs like that. What a for-real-ass homie. And just so y'all know, it's true. We are going out on tour with Vanilla Ice on our next tour, so that shit is gonna be DOOOOPE.

    After Mancow talked all this shit all this time, we had to finally speak up. We just wanted to let everybody know where we stand with Mancow. We stand right on his face, that's where. He's not a friend after all. That figures. Mancow can from this day on consider himself The Lame Ass Sissy Bitch Man. And that, my friends, is a mother fucker we don't want shit to do with.

It doesn't look like there will be any recovering this relationship, but stranger things have happened.

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